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POTHOLE PITFALLS: Damage, time and money

By Jodi Rogstad
jrogstad@wyomingnews.com

LARRY BRINLEE/WTE A pickup drives by a pothole at the corner of West Pershing Boulevard and Hynds Avenue on Friday. Water has seeped underneath the pavement, where it froze and then expanded, breaking up the concrete and creating the pot hole.

CHEYENNE - Seen any potholes lately?

You might have at least felt one.

As the weather freezes and thaws, it merges with physics to punch Swiss cheese holes into the city's asphalt streets.

That leaves hard, jagged edges in the thoroughfares, right in the path of your tires.

When you thump into a chuckhole, that can damage your tires and rims as well as the vehicle's shocks and springs. A hard knock even can get it out of alignment.

But when you're thumped good, it's hard to keep those bad words from flying out - especially about the government.

But consider this: Potholes are a struggle of nature versus man.

These unwelcome gaps burst onto the scene after a good thaw. The weight of passing cars and trucks works loose the chunks of pavement.

Here are a few things to know about potholes:

Can you avoid potholes?

When driving on a balmy, sunny day when the snow is melting, beware of puddles, said Nick Dodgson, owner of Cheyenne Midas Auto Service.

They could be concealing, hiding, harboring potholes.

And stop tailgating, he said. If there's a pit ahead, you won't have time to avoid it.

Preventive maintenance is also helpful: Keep the correct pressure in your tires. As the temperatures vary, so can your tire pressure. When it gets really cold, you can lose two to three pounds of pressure a day.

Said Dodgson, "Tires are built by combining pressure and heat. If you don't run the correct pressure, tires have a nasty habit of reverse engineering - i.e. they come apart."

What if you hit a pothole?

First, resist the urge to slam on the brakes.

"When you brake, you automatically shift the car's weight to the front of the vehicle," Dodgson said. "If you jump on the brakes, you increase force with which the car is going to hit that pothole."

As soon as possible afterward, said Rich Ratliff, a tire specialist at Fat Boys Tire and Auto, take a good look at your tires and wheels.

He already has had one customer come in with two blown-out tires, thanks to a well-executed strike on a road crater.

If you see a blister - a pocket of air causing the side of the tire to bulge out - take it to a shop. This is a bad thing for the liner, which means you're on borrowed time.

"I've seen some run for weeks; I've seen some that don't make it a day," Ratliff said.

If you're uncertain about whether damage has been done, Dodgson said, Midas - as well as many other auto repair shops - is willing to take a look for free.

How do potholes happen?

When vehicles are moving down the road, the pavement is actually bending slightly, said Rick Harvey, state materials engineer for the Wyoming Department of Transportation

Pavement has that give because the top layer of pavement lies on a gravel base.

He offered an analogy: if you lay a ruler on a desk and push down on it, it doesn't bend. If you lay the ruler on foam rubber, it bends.

Over time, this give under the tires, along with other forces like sun and age, leads to cracks.

When the snow melts, it gets into the cracks and flows down into the base, making it muddy and therefore weak.

"Really, you're creating a softer foam rubber under a ruler," Harvey said. "You're allowing the material to deflect more, and it's going to have a greater possibility of breaking."

When it does, "it's going to break again - traffic pulls the pieces out and creates a pothole," Harvey said.

Another way for potholes to form is this way: The moisture seeps into the group then freezes, pushing the pavement upward. That creates a gap when the ice thaws and a vehicle rolling over that breaks the pavement, creating a pothole.

If the hole is fixed correctly, the problem is stopped, Harvey said. Cities often lay down a layer of slurry seal to keep water out of the small cracks.

But if your street is covered with dark patches, that's a sign that it's time to replace it.

The best way to chase away potholes is to build streets to interstate standards, Harvey said. That is, the street in front of your house would have eight inches of pavement instead of the standard two.

But that would be considered overdoing it, he said, especially when rebuilding a mile of interstate costs about $2 million.

What does the city do?

In some parts, they send loud messages that they are tough on potholes. In New Orleans and New Jersey, for instance, they tout the acquisition of sprayers called the PK2000 Pothole Killer.

But in Cheyenne, the old-fashioned method of a dump truck of cold mix and a crew of three will do, working four 10-hour shifts a week, Monday through Thursday.

While crews do drive around in search of road craters, public works director Jackie Smith said the city also relies on the public.

You can alert the city by filling out an online form or making a phone call to city hall. Usually, Smith said, they can get it fixed within three business days.

But the roads may be getting smoother in the future. Smith says the city has grown to the point where it's time to look at adding a second truck and crew.

Thanks for that could come from all the complaining that people have been doing this winter about another cold-weather problem: plowing.

The city got a grant this summer to help pay for two more plows to its fleet of 11; they should arrive in March.

And the city is looking into adding a couple more on top of that.

"Without a doubt, it's (because of the) calls to the office and the letters to the editor," Mayor Jack Spiker said.

In the Street and Alley Department, these workers pull double duty. When they aren't plowing snow, three of them will be part of the new pothole patching crew.

Smith is putting together a proposal that he says will be ready in a month.




Reader Comments

Tom Horn wrote on Jan 20, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Sure don't get why all
you folks are doing all this whining and
complaining about potholes as we didn't
even have paved streets, to get them
back in 1903 anyway
so maybe the horse and
buggy ride was a little rough at times. "

Granny wrote on Jan 20, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Hellllp, mummmble, I'm still in this pothole and there starting to fill it in with asphalt, mummmmble, hellp, mummble "

Ralphinphnx wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:24 PM:

" Oh stop that whining here right now as your
fearless leader Mayor
Skywalker Jack Spiker
also has to cut a few
million from the municipal budget to cover adding those requested items like
a pair of restrooms to
the old UP Depot and
some plus a phone booth to the skywalk that Spiker forgot to
figure in as an initial cost now then. "

remeber when wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Everyone made a big deal about how Mayor Pando wanted to make all these water projects, yet our street were good, snow removal was tops, and he left with an huge budget in the banks. Where are all those millions. "

Granny wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Helllp I've fallin in a pothole and I can't get out...still..will someone please call a tow truck and pull me out!! "

Potholes bad news wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:48 AM:

" It's pretty obvious there is a serious problem with Cheyenne streets. In terms of solutions there are alternatives to salt that have been developed including a solution that goes on roads prior to the arrival of a storm. This was how Wisconsin, known for fierce winters, handled the ice and snow. I don't get the sense from this article, and definitely not the poor TV interview, that Cheyenne is doing enough or thinking through all the potential solutions. It seems that Cheyenne has just become complacent over the last few years due to the lack of moisture and now that it's back, no one knows what to do. Help is needed as avoidance of potholes causes a far more dangerous situation and will only get worse. I'd prefer a little salt rot to a head on collision anyday. "

97 wrote on Jan 17, 2008 6:01 PM:

" 700 thousand for something we dont need or 700 thousand for roads that we do need and for all of you that live off of west 5th steet you know what im talking about i dont know about u but when rebar is showing something needs to be replaced they put upm in it for know but they did that before and it poped out it will happen again "

To Christine wrote on Jan 17, 2008 5:37 PM:

" I lived in Salt Lake City where salt is cheap. My vehicle and every other one became rusted within a couple years time. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. "

Christine wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:39 PM:

" I didn't take it out of context - he said it would cause too much damage to THEIR vehicles. Not ours.

Too costly? What is the city going to do when citizens start suing them for accidents due to all of the ice they can't afford to melt.

Thanks city employee for your post. Now we know you truly care. "

LAPDWayne wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:28 AM:

" your are right Boondoggle city. I haven't lived through
a 'real winter' here.
I just came up from CA in April 07. In fact I don't even know where the "greenway" you are talking about is.
Go ahead and laugh people, that's ok.
That is where "VOTING"
comes into play. But like the "skywalk" issue, only 25 people show up to a council meeting and only two people voice their opposition to it?????
Sorry people, but you cannot complain, if you don't vote or voice you opinion to people other then a newspaper blog site. "

Boondoggle City wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:22 PM:

" Judging from the comments, I don't believe anyone has lived through a real winter here. We haven't had one in how many years +? Winter happens and we've grown used to short storms, warm temperatures and a quick melt. 12 ft. drifts to the rooftop are reality here ... can and will happen. But things could be better done and better spent. When I see the parks department taking more care to clear the greenway on cold blustery days at 7 am than what is spent clearing the roads, one has to wonder where the priorities are ... at minus zero wind chill you will see the parks & recreation trucks clearing the greenway when no one in their right mind would be out there using it. Those same trucks could be clearing a path on the side streets to expedite melting. What's more important? The taxpayer getting to work safely or the casual and occasional walker on the greenway who might have to side step a little snow? The greenway is better maintained than our streets and used less. "

To Christine wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:24 AM:

" Don't take the quote out of context. He said the city couldn't use salt to melt the existing ice because it was too costly and would damage vehicles. Nice try though. "

Ralphinphnx wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:43 AM:

" OMG do you mean that
the City of Cheyenne
has a pothole problem
nowdays? Oh you must have forgot that Mayor
Skywalker Spiker had to cut back on a few
city services in order
to pay for his costly
Leagacy Memorial The
Downtown Skywalk To
Nowhere.




































"

Mary wrote the snow removel was great wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:43 PM:

" yes I recall 20-30 years ago it was nice down town in those days they shovled it away from the curb and worked on it at night so we could all get to work by morning. Times have changed people want more money but not the work,so they can go eat out have you noticed how many places are so full. No one cooks at home no more family times together very sad.
What is the deal on getting this enter on computer? "

Christine Rhine wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Did anyone see the news on Channel 5 the other night when they talked to a gentleman at the city about the poor road conditions? He said it was to costly to take care of the roads PLUS it would cause damage to their vehicles.

Ahem, hello?! By them not fixing the roads they are causing damage to OUR vehicles. And duh, it costs money to get the job done right.

Excuses, excuses, excuses... "

To HELP!! wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:50 PM:

" If you in the county want your dirt roads graded and want snow removal then pay more in property taxes. There are just too many miles and not enough population density for the county to plow and grade them all. I'm sure you will throw a fit over a raise in taxes outside of cheyenne city limits.
To RT: The skywalk is going to cost 700,000 to the city, that will pave roughly 0.7 miles of road, not a real big deal about the skywalk when you think of it that way. I'm not crazy the city is giving 700,000 to those businesses to build it since if they want it they should pay for the whole thing. But I guess selling out the city is how business gets done around here. "

Granny wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:44 PM:

" Helllllp, I've fallin in a pothole and I can't get out!! "

Forever gone wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:38 PM:

" I must be the smartest guy around, I got out of the big pothole years ago, just isn't enough of any kind of material to fill the hole, called Cheyenne. Landfills can be covered over, why not gray and gloomy and depressing Cheyenne? "

tom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Del range west bound right past ridge is very pleasant to drive only if your on your phone and eating a big mac from mickey dees. "

LAPDWayne wrote on Jan 14, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Yes alot of roads probably need repairing in cheyenne.
People will complain, just like they will complain when they have to take detours and extra travelling time to get around those construction sites. I am not a expert, nor do I claim to be, but it will take a long time
for these repairs to be done. Not just a few weeks or months, especially with the weather the way it is in this state. So when your favorite travel route is closed until next spring, just plan ahead and leave early.
That's why they have
music and starbucks "

citzen wrote on Jan 14, 2008 9:40 AM:

" They need to spend the money on items like the roads to be repaired and fixed. Then if there is money for the other items then do them. "

sporker wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Sporker paranoia is rampant. I live in a bottomless pothole that is called Cheyenne. I like the hole and plan on remaining. "

RT wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:34 AM:

" i would rather see the City (and County) spend money to really repair (not just patch) our roads instead of throwing our tax money down the drain on a stupid skywalk. "

Clem wrote on Jan 13, 2008 3:00 PM:

" Westbound Pershing Blvd between Ridge Road past Morrie Avenue is largely undriveable in the right lane as there are hundreds of potholes and ice on the road around them. "

To Sporker wrote on Jan 13, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Congratulations you have proven that you believe that Spiker and the city council can take precedence over Mother Nature! Follow the advice of this article and accept the conditions that you are living under and you will be okay! Cheyenne challenges the hardy and not the whiners! "

Bye-Bye! wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Sporker, Sparkie, Smokie, what ever. Why don't you move to a non-pothole community. I bet you can't find one. "

Significant Other! wrote on Jan 13, 2008 10:38 AM:

" We can thank "sporker" for all the problems in Cheyenne. "

Mary wrote on Jan 13, 2008 10:34 AM:

" When I was downtown the snow removal was excellent. They actually hauled it off. "

Hot Air wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Why don't we take advantage of "global warming"? If we could strap pete to the front of a snow plow and get him talking like he does at Council meetings, (non-stop) we could melt the snow and ice. "

Pay! wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:48 AM:

" I understand pete and judy voted against new snow equipment and paying the drivers? "

jake the snake wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:47 AM:

" When was the last time you were in Laramie or on a secondary highway? Cheyenne has an excellent road system. "

HELP!! wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:44 AM:

" You think the City roads are rough, when was the last time you were on a County road? The WTE ignores the County, doesn't care about us. I was told by a Commissioner, no more grading, no more snow removal, I'm on my own. I pay property taxes, when will the WTE try and help County folks? "

sporker wrote on Jan 13, 2008 6:27 AM:

" The Cheyenne community can thank Mayor Jack Spiker and his fellow City Councilpersons. Because of their reckless taxpayer funded pork barrel projects, the city tax reserves are dangerously low. Therefore, the city funding for ice melt chemicals or ice removal has now been exhausted in January. Don’t worry, spring is just around the corner. "

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