Statewide ban on smoking?
By Bill McCarthy
bmccarthy@wyomingnews.com
CHEYENNE -- Statewide smoking restrictions are in play for the legislative session that begins Monday.
Despite a death threat and nasty messages from some residents, state Rep. Lori Millin, D-Cheyenne, is sponsoring House Bill 87. It would prohibit smoking in enclosed public places statewide.
"I'm not telling anyone they can't smoke," said Millin, a surgical nurse. "This is about protecting people from second-hand smoke.
"At least the person smoking has a filter on the cigarette."
Millin's proposal would prohibit smoking in places such as bars, restaurants, offices and on public transportation.
Illicit light-ups could draw a misdemeanor charge and fine of $50 for the first offense and $100 for each subsequent offense.
Those who own establishments and allow someone to smoke could be fined $100 for the first offense and $200 for each subsequent offense.
The bill would take effect July 1, but bars without restaurants and private clubs would get a period of adjustment to Jan. 1.
Local governments that have stricter laws would be able to keep those. Those with weaker laws would have to abide by the state law.
Millin realizes that the odds are long for the bill.
A budget session is scheduled to run for 20 working days and two-thirds of the house of introduction has to agree to allow a non-budget bill to be introduced
It then is assigned to a committee, where it can get a hearing if the chairman allows it.
"I do believe we will have the two-thirds for introduction," Millin said.
Some House members have told her they do not support the legislation but believe it should have a hearing.
A Cheyenne representative from the other side of the aisle who does not support the idea says the bill should be allowed to proceed to debate.
"Every legislator who writes a bill should be heard," said Amy Edmonds, R-Cheyenne.
She said she intends to vote to allow the bill to be introduced, though she will vote against it if it makes it out of a committee and on to the floor.
Edmonds said the decision on smoking restrictions should be made on the local, rather than the state, level.
She said she supports restrictions in public buildings where people may be forced to go to transact business, such as a drivers' license bureau. But government restrictions on bars and restaurants infringe on private property rights, she added.
Bills should not be killed quietly since legislators are elected to debate tough issues and make difficult decisions, Edmonds said.
Millin agrees.
Even though some have told her she should wait for next general session since she intends to run for reelection this year, Millin says the issue is too important to put off.
Besides, her constituents have a right to know where she stands, she said.
Earlier this fall, the Joint Labor, Health And Social Services Interim Committee failed to muster the votes from its House members to schedule a discussion of a similar bill.
Millin said if the bill is introduced and assigned to that committee again, that outcome could be different. Some lawmakers have changed their minds, persuaded by the evidence of health damage or by their constituents, she said.
More pressure is bound to come.
Smoke Free Wyoming, a coalition of groups led by the American Cancer Society and the American Heart Association that support smoking restrictions, will rally at noon in the Capitol rotunda on Tuesday in support of smoke-free workplaces.
"We'll get it as far as we can go," said Marguerite Herman, a lobbyist for the American Cancer Society.
At least if it gets to committee, Millin said, it will be a chance to educate people on the issue and perhaps make inroads for passage at a future session.
No similar bill has been introduced as of Friday in the Senate.
But three senators -- Bob Fecht, R-Cheyenne; Mike Massie, D-Laramie; and John Hastert, D-Green River -- have signed on as sponsors.
If it passes both houses, it would have to be signed by the governor.
Gov. Dave Freudenthal feels that smoking ban decisions should be made at the county and city level, his press secretary, Cara Eastwood, has said.
Reader Comments
Cheyenne Smoker wrote on Feb 16, 2008 5:40 PM:
" Reason wrote on Feb 16, 2008 1:04 AM:
" The police should be allowed to pull people over for smoking while driving. It's very unpleasant to see drivers just puffing away at intersections, and it is bad for the smoker's health. "
They should also be allowed to pull over out dated cars and cars that need to be washed. They too are unpleasant to look at.
Hey while we are at it we should have them pull over people who are overweight as well.. that’s bad for their health too...
Try reading a document called the constitution.. "
" The police should be allowed to pull people over for smoking while driving. It's very unpleasant to see drivers just puffing away at intersections, and it is bad for the smoker's health. "
They should also be allowed to pull over out dated cars and cars that need to be washed. They too are unpleasant to look at.
Hey while we are at it we should have them pull over people who are overweight as well.. that’s bad for their health too...
Try reading a document called the constitution.. "
Lisa wrote on Feb 16, 2008 6:59 AM:
" The income from "We The Smokers" in this state will always win over anything. TAXES are murder, but we pay them. This state would be in trouble if they made everyone just smoke at home, please, you don't see that ?? Why do you think we still have bars ? TAXES feed this little ol' city and always will. Feel free to buy a can of air and stay home if you can't take the real world. I won't blow smoke at anyone, that's hateful, but I also won't vote to take our rights away. I am sorry for those of you who get so angry at smokers, anger is a sign of deep rooted fear you know. "
Cheyenne wrote on Feb 16, 2008 1:07 AM:
" As long as teachers can still use cocaine (if they need to) in public places for personal or medical purposes, I wouldn't mind a smoking ban for tobacco. Smoking is very offensive. "
Reason wrote on Feb 16, 2008 1:04 AM:
" The police should be allowed to pull people over for smoking while driving. It's very unpleasant to see drivers just puffing away at intersections, and it is bad for the smoker's health. "
To DP wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:37 PM:
" No thanks for your unsuccessful attempts to play referee and to persuade people into being kind to one another. This issue is not kind. It involves smokers who believe that their right to kill themselves and others is more important than the rights of non-smokers who choose not to inhale toxic chemicals voluntarily. Do you even know the true definition of ignorant? I believe smokers fall into that definition. They are either ignorant of the facts surrounding the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke, or they plain don't give a damn who they harm. In either case they are the dumbest idiots alive. "
PK wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:38 PM:
" Rational said: “What ever happened to personal responsibly and personal choice? To all the cry babies saying that they watched a loved one die from smoking: Your preciously little tinkums made a choice to smoke. They died how they wanted to. Not know the danger is baloney. Not being able to quit is baloney. What you are talking about is personal responsibly.”
Rational sure is irrational. Do you know cigarettes are the only consumable product that is not required to list its ingredients? There are over 4,000 toxins in cigarettes like acetone, ammonia, benzene, and formaldehyde.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive chemicals known. Manufacturers enhance the nicotine in cigarettes to increase their addictiveness. Cigarette companies give big bucks to your representatives so they will never have to inform the public of how addictive they are.
You talk about personal responsibility but you don’t require that responsibility of cigarette manufacturers. Get off your self righteous rant and grow up.
Ken, your caveman ancestors weren’t able to handle smoke. Studies of mummies show many died from the effects of breathing camp smoke. They died young and they died slowly.
"
Rational sure is irrational. Do you know cigarettes are the only consumable product that is not required to list its ingredients? There are over 4,000 toxins in cigarettes like acetone, ammonia, benzene, and formaldehyde.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive chemicals known. Manufacturers enhance the nicotine in cigarettes to increase their addictiveness. Cigarette companies give big bucks to your representatives so they will never have to inform the public of how addictive they are.
You talk about personal responsibility but you don’t require that responsibility of cigarette manufacturers. Get off your self righteous rant and grow up.
Ken, your caveman ancestors weren’t able to handle smoke. Studies of mummies show many died from the effects of breathing camp smoke. They died young and they died slowly.
"
noban wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:44 PM:
" "Let this be decided at the local level," said Rep. Lisa Shepperson, R-Casper.
She said smoking was a legal activity and bars and restaurants hold private property rights.
"
She said smoking was a legal activity and bars and restaurants hold private property rights.
"
DP wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:29 AM:
" One more thing, looking at the comments, Non smokers, get off your high horses, you make me sick. I just cannot believe how rude you all are. Just because your a non smoker or an ex smoker doesn't mean your a better breed of people. Stop being so rude to everyone, and maybe you'll see a change in how everyone treats you. Get over yourself. You make it seem like smokers are really putting you out, but I'm sure that you are putting them out just the same. Stress takes time off your life also. I'm still all for the smoking ban, I just hate to see people be so mean and hateful when there is no need for it, and the only one your putting down is yourself by making yourself look stupid. "
DP wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:08 AM:
" I also think that you all should not be so damn rude. There doesn't need to be rudeness in any of these comments. If your a non smoker, then good for you!! Keep it up, but don't put down the smokers, your just showing how ignorant you really truly are. And if your a smoker don't get all over non smokers because they were good and chose not to smoke don't be so defensive. If your a non smoker don't hang out with smokers, don't be around smokers, you have legs too. Smokers don't be rude and feel no one else matters, be kind not rude. I'm a smoker, but I think these comments are ridiculous. The bottom line is Don't Be Rude!! "
DP wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:02 AM:
" I am a smoker, but I care for smokers and non smokers. I agree with the state wide smoking ban. I feel it does chip away at our rights as Americans. But yet when we smoke it chips away at the rights of non smokers. I think something needs to happen to help people quit, give them the motivation to quit. My husband and I even made our house non smoking. It is a gross habit that leaves surfaces messy and is almost impossible to clean, and someday I would love to be a non smoker. But it's little steps like this that opens people eyes, to make everyone a little more healthy. I am all for the smoking ban, smoker or non it is a good move. "
to Sosher wrote on Feb 15, 2008 5:25 AM:
" I don't like the way you smell. Keep your cigarette smoke out of the equation. If you would like to commit slow suicide, do so without taking me and my friends and my family down with you. "
To "outlaw cowpoke" wrote on Feb 15, 2008 5:20 AM:
" The ban will soon take place whether you or the other smoking fools like it or not. Yes, when my health is involved, you bet your cowpoke tail I'll say "It's my way or the highway." And personally, I could care less if you people like it or not. CHEERS! (so there...nananana na na). "
To Bill T wrote on Feb 15, 2008 5:14 AM:
" As a so called combat wounded veteran who supposedly fought for the rights of America you should then agree that the rights of the non-smokers are just as important. No one is asking you to stop smoking. You will still be able to purchase as many cancer sticks as you deem necessary. They are asking you to be more considerate of those who would like to live a healthy lifestyle and to live as long as possible in order to enjoy their freedom that you supposedly fought for. Not every veteran of the armed forces agree with your statement and being a vet doesn't buy you the added authority to decide what America should allow you to get away with. Get over yourself. "
Smoker wrote on Feb 14, 2008 8:49 PM:
" To JS:
Sooo, Mr big shot and bad talker, tell us, how much money have you saved since you quit smoking in Dec of 2005. Don't even have a clue, do you. All talk. Once a smoker, now Mr Do Right "
Sooo, Mr big shot and bad talker, tell us, how much money have you saved since you quit smoking in Dec of 2005. Don't even have a clue, do you. All talk. Once a smoker, now Mr Do Right "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 14, 2008 1:41 PM:
" JS,
I completely agree with you. And currently people do have to go outside the city limits to smoke indoors. Thanks to our city council, Cheyenne has had a ban in place for about a year. What has seemed to happen though is the Clubs in town kinda suck now and everyone wants to go to the bars in the county where the smokers go. When the Outlaw first moved in to the old Cowboy South that bar could muster 10 people on a Friday night with a “free drink all night special”. Fortunately for them the smoking ban went into effect shortly afterwards. Well as most people know they closed the old Outlaw and moved the entire thing to county property. Now you have to wait in line to get in there on a Friday night sometimes. Now people want to ban smoking in the county too. Well you can probably guess what will happen to the bars there if it dose happen. "
I completely agree with you. And currently people do have to go outside the city limits to smoke indoors. Thanks to our city council, Cheyenne has had a ban in place for about a year. What has seemed to happen though is the Clubs in town kinda suck now and everyone wants to go to the bars in the county where the smokers go. When the Outlaw first moved in to the old Cowboy South that bar could muster 10 people on a Friday night with a “free drink all night special”. Fortunately for them the smoking ban went into effect shortly afterwards. Well as most people know they closed the old Outlaw and moved the entire thing to county property. Now you have to wait in line to get in there on a Friday night sometimes. Now people want to ban smoking in the county too. Well you can probably guess what will happen to the bars there if it dose happen. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 14, 2008 1:30 PM:
" Caitlan,
I think you have the most courteous point of view Ive seen here yet. You didn't have to make derogatory comments directed towards smokers in order to get your point across. You have a good point about drinking and driving but I have a hard time comparing the 2 because of the violence involved with the accidents that result from it. I have seen my share of people dieing from cancer and accidents alike and neither is pleasant. You hit the nail directly on the head however when you mentioned that you -CHOOSE- not to go to the Outlaw because they allow smoking, despite your proximity from it. That has been my argument along along. We all know where the places are that allow smoking and should make a conscious effort to avoid them. Smokers and non-smokers can both be accommodated within the current laws. Non-smokers have the lions share of choices on where to go so as to not be exposed to anything dangerous. Believe me the Outlaw will suck if they put a ban in place anyway and you'll still have to go to the Sundance. "
I think you have the most courteous point of view Ive seen here yet. You didn't have to make derogatory comments directed towards smokers in order to get your point across. You have a good point about drinking and driving but I have a hard time comparing the 2 because of the violence involved with the accidents that result from it. I have seen my share of people dieing from cancer and accidents alike and neither is pleasant. You hit the nail directly on the head however when you mentioned that you -CHOOSE- not to go to the Outlaw because they allow smoking, despite your proximity from it. That has been my argument along along. We all know where the places are that allow smoking and should make a conscious effort to avoid them. Smokers and non-smokers can both be accommodated within the current laws. Non-smokers have the lions share of choices on where to go so as to not be exposed to anything dangerous. Believe me the Outlaw will suck if they put a ban in place anyway and you'll still have to go to the Sundance. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 14, 2008 1:13 PM:
" LG,
I am relieved beyond words to hear that you don't bring your grandchildren into bars. We need more role models like you. As for smoking all around us, I think your embellishing quite a bit. Public places, like government buildings have had smoking bans in place for a long time now. If you witness people violating them then turn them in. I think in a round about way you have admitted that these bans don't work. As for compassion, I have plenty of it, even for people filled with hate like you. But go ahead and continue to be a mean nasty person to people that don't share your point of view. "
I am relieved beyond words to hear that you don't bring your grandchildren into bars. We need more role models like you. As for smoking all around us, I think your embellishing quite a bit. Public places, like government buildings have had smoking bans in place for a long time now. If you witness people violating them then turn them in. I think in a round about way you have admitted that these bans don't work. As for compassion, I have plenty of it, even for people filled with hate like you. But go ahead and continue to be a mean nasty person to people that don't share your point of view. "
Remy wrote on Feb 14, 2008 11:25 AM:
" Caitlin, your logic has flaws. We all have rights but do not have rights to impose our beliefs on other American's rights/ways of life.
Before the ban locally there were plenty of places that did not allow smoking. That wasn't good enough for some people, they wanted to force their needs on other's will. There was no compromise, no public vote, just a fascist "Do it this way or else". That's not what America is about.
We are supposed to come together and find solutions not one sided rulings. The smoking populace has not been represented properly by the local/state government, and though it may dismay you (and the anti-smoking advocates) to hear this: They are American Citizens just like you. "
Before the ban locally there were plenty of places that did not allow smoking. That wasn't good enough for some people, they wanted to force their needs on other's will. There was no compromise, no public vote, just a fascist "Do it this way or else". That's not what America is about.
We are supposed to come together and find solutions not one sided rulings. The smoking populace has not been represented properly by the local/state government, and though it may dismay you (and the anti-smoking advocates) to hear this: They are American Citizens just like you. "
Rational wrote on Feb 14, 2008 10:31 AM:
" What ever happened to personal responsibly and personal choice? To all the cry babies saying that they watched a loved one die from smoking: This has nothing to do with that. Your preciously little tinkums made a choice to smoke. They died how they wanted to. Not know the danger is baloney. Not being able to quit is baloney. What you are talking about is personal responsibly.
To all the people going on about 2nd hand smoke, that’s all personal choice. If you don’t like the smoke at a public business, DON’T GO. Stand up for your pink little lungs and say I am not going to that bar/restaurant because smoking is allowed. How hard is that? If enough people really don’t like the smoking the economic force will become apparent to the owner of the business very quick. If the owner does not want to change and gets no business then the place will close and someone else can open the same thing in the same place with your tushy little lungs in mind.
"
To all the people going on about 2nd hand smoke, that’s all personal choice. If you don’t like the smoke at a public business, DON’T GO. Stand up for your pink little lungs and say I am not going to that bar/restaurant because smoking is allowed. How hard is that? If enough people really don’t like the smoking the economic force will become apparent to the owner of the business very quick. If the owner does not want to change and gets no business then the place will close and someone else can open the same thing in the same place with your tushy little lungs in mind.
"
Caitlan wrote on Feb 14, 2008 10:27 AM:
" By the way, it's not just "out there" states like California. Colorado, which despite having changed a great deal, has the same roots as Wyoming, has had a state wide smoking ban for a few years now. There were some growing pains, but I think the majority of people wouldn't want to go back to the way things were, including my VERY smokey hometown.
I think people are forgetting how truly adapable we are. "
I think people are forgetting how truly adapable we are. "
Caitlan wrote on Feb 14, 2008 10:21 AM:
" "..like allowing people to purchase cars then telling them you cant drive them on the paved roads."
A more appropriate comparison would be the ban on alcohol consumption while public roads, the same ones that we, as tax payers, have purchased.
The reason these things are illegal is due to potential for injury to society. Drink yourself into oblivion at home or outside a bar (I assume they'd have quit serving you by that point), but don't endanger anyone.
Put that same logic to smoking: feel free to smoke yourself senseless at home or outside the bar, but not where you will be endangering the people around you.
It IS your choice to engage in an activity that could result in your death. It is NOT however your freedom to inflict that choice upon me. That's why the comparisions of obesity or perfume don't hold up.
Your freedom to throw a punch ends where my face begins.
And most of us do chose to avoid it. I live 2 miles from the Outlaw, but will drive down to the Sundance instead because of the smoking. I would really rather not have to do that! "
A more appropriate comparison would be the ban on alcohol consumption while public roads, the same ones that we, as tax payers, have purchased.
The reason these things are illegal is due to potential for injury to society. Drink yourself into oblivion at home or outside a bar (I assume they'd have quit serving you by that point), but don't endanger anyone.
Put that same logic to smoking: feel free to smoke yourself senseless at home or outside the bar, but not where you will be endangering the people around you.
It IS your choice to engage in an activity that could result in your death. It is NOT however your freedom to inflict that choice upon me. That's why the comparisions of obesity or perfume don't hold up.
Your freedom to throw a punch ends where my face begins.
And most of us do chose to avoid it. I live 2 miles from the Outlaw, but will drive down to the Sundance instead because of the smoking. I would really rather not have to do that! "
Sosher wrote on Feb 14, 2008 8:52 AM:
" JS, I don't like the way that you look, walk, or dress. Get up against the wall!
That's how you non-smoker's sound. There's a lot of hate mongers in this town. Seriously. I don't know if I want to raise my children in this vitriol. "
That's how you non-smoker's sound. There's a lot of hate mongers in this town. Seriously. I don't know if I want to raise my children in this vitriol. "
js wrote on Feb 13, 2008 10:43 PM:
" I smoked for several decades and have probably spent enough moneys on the habit that I could pay cash for a brand new corvette if I put it in the bank for all of those years. I just gave up and quit so I have not smoked a cig since Dec2005 which is over two years. Why should I not only have to inhale the hazardous smoke of those who are still addicted or those who are brainwashed in supporting or believing in the tobacco industry. If you want to smoke then simply go outside the city limits. Wyoming is full of a lot of nothing so you should easily find plent of spots to smoke. I certainly do not need your second hand smoke in my body any more. "
Ralphinphnx wrote on Feb 13, 2008 9:11 PM:
" Seig Heil So now State
Senator and part time
Cheyenne Police Farce
Police Chief Bob Fecht
wants to be Chief of
The Wayoming State
Smoke Police,when Fecht cannot even run
his own pathetic Cheyenne Police Farce. "
Senator and part time
Cheyenne Police Farce
Police Chief Bob Fecht
wants to be Chief of
The Wayoming State
Smoke Police,when Fecht cannot even run
his own pathetic Cheyenne Police Farce. "
Outlaw Cowgirl wrote on Feb 13, 2008 6:57 PM:
" Chris, I understand your argument but...the biggest problem here is that the government is taking smoking out of Bars in particular and children aren't allowed there last time I checked. Too non-smokers have gone about this all the wrong way without any compromise whatsoever, and then like little children chosen to mock the smokers still after a ban is in place. Respect goes both ways, and honestly the non-smokers have not shown an ounce of being the bigger person here. Do it my way or just don't do it is not a philosophy that sits well with Americans. "
Let the voters decide wrote on Feb 13, 2008 4:46 PM:
" If this issue can't be decided in the legislature, there needs to be a statewide vote. Let the voters decide! "
LG wrote on Feb 13, 2008 3:05 PM:
" TO DON'T GO THERE:
You don't get it! Like I would take my children or grandchildren to the bar. What kind of person even says that? Tells me alot about you. Second hand smoke is all around us, not just the bars. Every public building. As long as we are trying to ban the smoking in all public places, why don't we make them smoke at least 100 feet away from an entrance into the builiding? Oh yeah, its already suppose to be like that and its not. You obviously only care about yourself and have no compassion for anyone else. I thought there were more people in this town who really cared, but what I see here is selfishness. Non smokers have suffered long enough! "
You don't get it! Like I would take my children or grandchildren to the bar. What kind of person even says that? Tells me alot about you. Second hand smoke is all around us, not just the bars. Every public building. As long as we are trying to ban the smoking in all public places, why don't we make them smoke at least 100 feet away from an entrance into the builiding? Oh yeah, its already suppose to be like that and its not. You obviously only care about yourself and have no compassion for anyone else. I thought there were more people in this town who really cared, but what I see here is selfishness. Non smokers have suffered long enough! "
Ralphinphnx wrote on Feb 13, 2008 1:54 PM:
" Acthung! Seig Heil der
Wyoming Smoke Police
are out to get you once again and want to
take away your smokes
and lock you up,if
they catch you smoking
a cigarette,cigar,or
pipe,before they are
doing with you and I
ask what freedom will
these Political Correct Fanatic Nazis
seize on next and try
to destroy as well? "
Wyoming Smoke Police
are out to get you once again and want to
take away your smokes
and lock you up,if
they catch you smoking
a cigarette,cigar,or
pipe,before they are
doing with you and I
ask what freedom will
these Political Correct Fanatic Nazis
seize on next and try
to destroy as well? "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 13, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Demolition Derbies are dangerous, we should BAN them! "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:49 PM:
" BTW People, I never said I was a smoker! I feel strongly that we should keep government out of these types of issues. If our community feels so strongly about it business will adapt to ensure their survival. Smoking is all ready banned at all the places you have to go on a routine basis to conduct business. If you are working at a place that allows smoking I would suggest you try to persuade your employer to clean it up or quit that job. Lori Millin is not as concerned as you think she is about second hand smoke, she is just doing what the people who financed her campaign want her to do. She has, after all, already announce her bid for re-election. Please see this for what it really is. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:38 PM:
" If you guys are not aware of this I will list some of the places that currently provide a clean air environment for you.
ANY Government facility, Federal, State, County, City, ANY Business inside of the Cheyenne or Laramie City limits, Public Libraries, Gyms and fitness centers, ALL Grocery stores, Public Schools, ALL Shopping malls, Public Utilities offices, ALL Post Offices, The Majority of Hotels and Motels (A phone call could save you from being exposed to smoke), Most Restaurants outside of the city limits participate voluntarily, Even the outdoor grandstands at Frontier Park! I am sure there are many more, these are just the ones I can think of off hand. With these places in mind, could you guys tell me where it is exactly you are being assaulted with second hand smoke at? "
ANY Government facility, Federal, State, County, City, ANY Business inside of the Cheyenne or Laramie City limits, Public Libraries, Gyms and fitness centers, ALL Grocery stores, Public Schools, ALL Shopping malls, Public Utilities offices, ALL Post Offices, The Majority of Hotels and Motels (A phone call could save you from being exposed to smoke), Most Restaurants outside of the city limits participate voluntarily, Even the outdoor grandstands at Frontier Park! I am sure there are many more, these are just the ones I can think of off hand. With these places in mind, could you guys tell me where it is exactly you are being assaulted with second hand smoke at? "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:27 PM:
" Dear LG,
Just exactly how am I giving you or any member of your family CANCER? Are you so out of touch with the community you live in that do not know which establishments allow smoking? If you decide to frequent these places who is at fault, you or me? These places you feel you must be allowed to go to have no alternative that will provide you with clean air? Please give me an example. Since there are almost no places left that allow smoking except for BARS, some restaurants but very few, and a couple of bowling alleys, where is it that you can't bring your children or grandchildren to? If you are really concerned for their wellbeing then keep them out of the bars and avoid the places that allow smoking. I hope I have solved your problem. "
Just exactly how am I giving you or any member of your family CANCER? Are you so out of touch with the community you live in that do not know which establishments allow smoking? If you decide to frequent these places who is at fault, you or me? These places you feel you must be allowed to go to have no alternative that will provide you with clean air? Please give me an example. Since there are almost no places left that allow smoking except for BARS, some restaurants but very few, and a couple of bowling alleys, where is it that you can't bring your children or grandchildren to? If you are really concerned for their wellbeing then keep them out of the bars and avoid the places that allow smoking. I hope I have solved your problem. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:17 PM:
" Dearest Buffalo Bill,
You might want to look up the definitions of individual and society. Society is a collection of individuals not the opposite. What you are suggesting based on the definition and your comments is “Society” a collection of individuals with a common goal, ie; a ban on smoking. But you are referring to society when in fact you mean community. A social group of organisms sharing an environment. You response discusses net gains and loses but dose not specify whom is gaining. Are you talking about the community as a whole or the society you represent? Who said anything about a constitutional right to smoke? I believe is said the great thing about being American is our right to choose. And to do so with very little or no interference of our government. You folks are the ones dragging the government into this fight and trying to keep the people from having a say. We don't need them making choices for us. You should choose to stay away from business's that allow smoking. "
You might want to look up the definitions of individual and society. Society is a collection of individuals not the opposite. What you are suggesting based on the definition and your comments is “Society” a collection of individuals with a common goal, ie; a ban on smoking. But you are referring to society when in fact you mean community. A social group of organisms sharing an environment. You response discusses net gains and loses but dose not specify whom is gaining. Are you talking about the community as a whole or the society you represent? Who said anything about a constitutional right to smoke? I believe is said the great thing about being American is our right to choose. And to do so with very little or no interference of our government. You folks are the ones dragging the government into this fight and trying to keep the people from having a say. We don't need them making choices for us. You should choose to stay away from business's that allow smoking. "
Chris wrote on Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM:
" I understand that being told what to do is frustrating, especially when it seems that more and more of our liberties and freedoms are being taken away. Please also try to understand, second-hand smoke truly is dangerous. It is poison.
As far as I am concerned, feel free to kill yourselves off one at a time, heck, means less second-hand smoke eventually yes? But in the meantime, don't smoke around openings to stores... I feel like I have to cover my kids' faces every time we go into Target or WalMart.
If there was a teeny bit more respect from smokers for non-smokers perhaps this wouldn't even be an issue. "
As far as I am concerned, feel free to kill yourselves off one at a time, heck, means less second-hand smoke eventually yes? But in the meantime, don't smoke around openings to stores... I feel like I have to cover my kids' faces every time we go into Target or WalMart.
If there was a teeny bit more respect from smokers for non-smokers perhaps this wouldn't even be an issue. "
John wrote on Feb 13, 2008 8:55 AM:
" LD, you said, "Then do us a favor and die young. Have you ever watched someone you love gasp for air everyday. Can't sit because they can't breathe. Heart starts failing because they don't have enough oxygen. Anyone who has seen someone die from the effects of smoking knows exactly what I am talking about." I say we should ban all diseases that cause the very same thing I quoted from your address to Geraldo. My wife has Muscular Dystrophy. She has what you cited in the quote. She does not smoke! Not everyone who smokes suffers from the ill effects. My Great Great Grandmother smoked until the day she died at 107. I have yet to see the cloud of smoke surrounding he Walmart entrance that you describe. Non-Smoking Establishments are just that! Smoking Establishments are just that. Some have mixed to have both non-smoking and smoking sections. If you know these estabishments and react appropriately, then we all can get along. And yes there are bad apples on both sides of the issue. Until they leave the sandbox, they will stay that way. Working together is the key here. "
Outlaw Cowgirl wrote on Feb 13, 2008 8:51 AM:
" Hey LG what is this clean air you speak of? Did you not notice the chemical plant west of town? Furthermore, I am willing to bet good money that you have personally exposed your entire family to Benzene from Gasoline exposure at least a few times in your life. Doesn't that kind of make you a murderer?! Do you have kids and let them play outside in the summer? What if they get Skin Cancer? Again, does that make you a murderer?
If we all use your logic, then indeed we should be indicting you today for crimes against humanity! If anything should be banned, it should be you. "
If we all use your logic, then indeed we should be indicting you today for crimes against humanity! If anything should be banned, it should be you. "
Geraldo Dominguez wrote on Feb 13, 2008 7:28 AM:
" LG, I have seen a person close to me die from lung cancer, and you know what? It was their choice of lifestyle. They knew it, I knew it, and their family knew it. They didn't blame their woes on advertisements, or corporations...he took the blame upon himself and was at peace with it. Keep your refuted books as they just make good doorstops so doors won't hit you in the behind because if they did you'd probably ban doors too. "
LAPDWayneinRalphsTomHorn wrote on Feb 13, 2008 7:10 AM:
" I hate to point this out to you elitist fascist Non-Smokers but Bars ARE NOT Public places. Public places are wherein you do not have to meet a criteria to enter (like lions park). A bar requires a person to be over 21, and the owner has the right to refuse you service. Let the Bar-Owners decide. I wish the local bar owners would stand up and fight this stupid ban. It's really hurting the smaller bars around town especially on the weekends. "
Jason wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:47 AM:
" TO LG:
Yes I have watched someone die from a smoking related illness but it was his choice as is mine how am I infringing on your rights how are you not infringing on mine it is called freedom of choice I love how everyone is more than welcome to step all over the constitution as long as it benefits them but as soon as someone steps on it and it affects them in a negative way oh heaven forbid and look out you have the freedom to choose to walk where someone is smoking to go somewhere someone is smoking don't like it hold your breath I really don't care but do not step on my rights to do with MY BODY what I choose I work out with my job daily I work very hard does smoking slow me down NOPE actually makes work more enjoyable LIKE I SAID MY BODY MY CHOICE NOT YOURS oh and don't forget you have the choice to walk the other way or not to go places that allow it YOU HAVE YOUR OWN MIND AND CHOICES "
Yes I have watched someone die from a smoking related illness but it was his choice as is mine how am I infringing on your rights how are you not infringing on mine it is called freedom of choice I love how everyone is more than welcome to step all over the constitution as long as it benefits them but as soon as someone steps on it and it affects them in a negative way oh heaven forbid and look out you have the freedom to choose to walk where someone is smoking to go somewhere someone is smoking don't like it hold your breath I really don't care but do not step on my rights to do with MY BODY what I choose I work out with my job daily I work very hard does smoking slow me down NOPE actually makes work more enjoyable LIKE I SAID MY BODY MY CHOICE NOT YOURS oh and don't forget you have the choice to walk the other way or not to go places that allow it YOU HAVE YOUR OWN MIND AND CHOICES "
LG wrote on Feb 12, 2008 6:11 PM:
" TO DON'T GO THERE:
Just because YOU want to smoke, it doesn't give you the right to give me, my children, or my granchildren CANCER. And why should we have to get exposed to if we want to go to certain places? Smokers had run this town for a long time. Now its our turn. Now you know how we felt when our right to breathe clean air was taken from us. "
Just because YOU want to smoke, it doesn't give you the right to give me, my children, or my granchildren CANCER. And why should we have to get exposed to if we want to go to certain places? Smokers had run this town for a long time. Now its our turn. Now you know how we felt when our right to breathe clean air was taken from us. "
RE: Amanda wrote on Feb 12, 2008 5:09 PM:
" I believe that an energy efficient vehicle that does not use fossil fuels or cost over $10,000 would be ideal too! While we are at it maybe we could convince the volcanoes to stop erupting and polluting our clean air as well! What a beautiful world it would be if everything was how I want it to be! "
RE: Response to don't go there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 5:02 PM:
" Once the non-smokers have done away with the second hand smoke what will be next? The indoor air quality is becoming increasingly dangerous, HVAC systems that are not cleaned properly and regularly produce mold, mildew and have been known to harbor the bacteria that causes legionnaires disease, when moisture sits stagnant in the system, this is a small list of problems created from "clean air systems". Oh btw thanks for helping me save money, if I can't smoke there chances are I don't go there! "
Government Rule Commerce Lose wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:45 PM:
" "LG" Yes, I watched someone very dear to my heart die that very same way from cancer. He got it defending this country and your right to impose your believes on others. You can figure it out “You have some medical journals you are welcome to read if you would like some real facts on other causes”
If you don’t like it, don’t shop there or start one of your own!
But, quit getting the Government to do your dirty work because you’re too scared to step up to the plate.
American Commerce is what makes the world go round ... let’s keep it that way.
For those who like what other states have, You have the freedom to move there!
I Live in Wyoming because of what they “DON’T HAVE”!!
Step Up or Step Out ... if you know what I mean!!! "
If you don’t like it, don’t shop there or start one of your own!
But, quit getting the Government to do your dirty work because you’re too scared to step up to the plate.
American Commerce is what makes the world go round ... let’s keep it that way.
For those who like what other states have, You have the freedom to move there!
I Live in Wyoming because of what they “DON’T HAVE”!!
Step Up or Step Out ... if you know what I mean!!! "
Buffalo Bill wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:18 PM:
" A ban arises out of some need society is experiencing; the key word is "society" (the opposite of "individual") and the resultant ban should be thought of as a correction. When society has moved for a long time, no matter what direction, the attempt at a correction will always affect someone negatively. So when is the net "gain" worth more than the net "loss?" In areas of public health the answer in usually simple: whenever public health is improved. If there is a negative impact on a business that has been profiting from an activity NOT good for public health, the best business owners retool for the new and better public health policy. There is overwhelming evidence that this works, even in the short run; a vast majority of business report an increase after smoking bans, and most of the few who claim “serious impact” were is serious trouble before the ban.
Constitutional right to smoke? Please…pursuit of happiness has to be thought of WITHIN society and not by a single individual doing anything he wants. That’s why Demolition Derbies are popular; TOBACCO's Derby should come to an end.
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Constitutional right to smoke? Please…pursuit of happiness has to be thought of WITHIN society and not by a single individual doing anything he wants. That’s why Demolition Derbies are popular; TOBACCO's Derby should come to an end.
"
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:50 PM:
" I applaud the Governor on his position of local government should decide whether or not to have a ban in place. Cheyenne, Casper, Laramie are probably dominated by non-smokers but there are lots of small communities in this state and I am sure there are some areas where a majority of people smoke. Forcing a ban on these areas just do people in other communities can feel better about themselves is unfair. Above all, what is greatest about being an American is the right to choose. I should be allowed to choose if I want to smoke or not, if I want to have a business that allows smoking or not, and if I want to die from smoking related illnesses. "
Bad idea wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:31 PM:
" LAPDWayne, LA has surfing and golfing in February. I would love it if we could have those things here too but they just don't work at our latitude. The “Well everyone else has one” reason just isn't good enough for me. I think we should do whats right by ALL the people in Cheyenne, smokers and non-smokers alike and not worry about what every one else is doing. "
clean cut smoker wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:25 PM:
" Which Gym? Can you describe yourself? Probably 5 foot 5 inches 350 lbs. Hence the need to hang out at the gym. I don't personally think obesity is beautiful but some people do. To each his own. And by the way, if you don't hang out at bars or restaurants then why are you trying to force a smoking ban on them? "
Anthony B wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:19 PM:
" I am a non smoker as a matter of fact I hate cigarette smoke and I have to use my inhaler if exposed to it, however I believe an individuals rights should always win.
Who has the right to ban someone from smoking? This is how other rights get taken away because someone else thinks they know whats better for you. "
Who has the right to ban someone from smoking? This is how other rights get taken away because someone else thinks they know whats better for you. "
Government Rule Commerce Lose wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:17 PM:
" Can anyone out there name ONE ban that has not hurt commerce and has not promoted criminal activity? Doubt it.
With that being said, when was the last time one of you nonsmokers (other than your kids which YOU forced into that environment not the smoker) forced into an establishment that allowed smoking or you smokers forced to go into one that did not allow smoking (we will even say pre Cheyenne smoking ban)? You made choices and now live with it ... own up to those choices.
The real losers here are the people that put their money forward (because you are to scared) to build a business so that you whiners can run to the government and try to enforce the way you want it ran.
It’s like you’re saying “this is a great place ... but if it was mine I would do this differently”, but instead of taking your own money and putting it at risk (heck, you might even be right and run the other one out of business ... that’s called American Commerce), You force the proprietors of the existing business to do it your way through legislation.
If you don’t like "
With that being said, when was the last time one of you nonsmokers (other than your kids which YOU forced into that environment not the smoker) forced into an establishment that allowed smoking or you smokers forced to go into one that did not allow smoking (we will even say pre Cheyenne smoking ban)? You made choices and now live with it ... own up to those choices.
The real losers here are the people that put their money forward (because you are to scared) to build a business so that you whiners can run to the government and try to enforce the way you want it ran.
It’s like you’re saying “this is a great place ... but if it was mine I would do this differently”, but instead of taking your own money and putting it at risk (heck, you might even be right and run the other one out of business ... that’s called American Commerce), You force the proprietors of the existing business to do it your way through legislation.
If you don’t like "
To Clean Cut Smoker wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:03 PM:
" Don't you mean you brushed your "tooth." If you want to find us non-smokers check out the Gym, you know, the place where us beautiful people hang out. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 1:25 PM:
" I am offended by nudity. Every time I step into the Green Door I have to be exposed to it. We should ban Nudity in public. Is the Green Door public? Its open to the public. Isn't nudity in public against the law. I guess if I don't want to see it I could stop going there. That should fix it. What about the girls that work there. I guess they are being forced to stay and strip. I bet if they get a gut full of it and decide they don't like it anymore then they will go work somewhere else. Get off your high horse people. You have plenty of places to go that either cant allow smoking because of the ban or Just don't because they don't want that business. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 1:18 PM:
" Oh yes. I forgot to mention on my latest rant. Since when is your right to be healthy come before my right to be unhealthy. Do your rights trump my rights? Explain how that works. I am going to put this in bold type this time so maybe you will get it. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE VENUE AT AN ESTABLISHMENT THE DO NOT GO TO THAT ESTABLISHMENT! In summary, if a business allows smoking on they're property then do not go there. "
don't-go-there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Really? Which hotel in Jackson allows smoking? I'm not aware of any. Please name it so I can stay there this summer. In fact Most Hotels in this state have very few smoking rooms at all anymore. It would be nice to find one that allows it in the lobby too. The analogy of the worker at a smoking business never fails to make me laugh. Its like saying I want a job as a skydiving camera man but I want a ban on jumping out of aircraft or I want to be a race car driver as long as there is no speeding allowed. If the dangers of the environment I work in became such a concern I would definitely find a different line of work. You didn't get the gist of my comment earlier. I bet you won't stay at that same hotel again in Jackson will you? "
LG wrote on Feb 12, 2008 12:59 PM:
" TO GERALDO:
Then do us a favor and die young. Have you ever watched someone you love gasp for air everyday. Can't sit because they can't breathe. Heart starts failing because they don't have enough oxygen. Anyone who has seen someone die from the effects of smoking knows exactly what I am talking about. I don't want to see my children or grandchildren go through that because our rights as non smokers are violated every day. I can't even walk past the door at Walmart or any kind of store without being overwhelmed by smoke. Someone who dies from emphysema does not die quickly or easily. Know your facts before you quote some internet sight which may or may not have the correct facts. I have some medical journals you are welcome to read if you would like some real facts on affects. I agree the smokers have had their way along time and the heck with what the non smokers think. Besides you still have your own home and your car to smoke in. "
Then do us a favor and die young. Have you ever watched someone you love gasp for air everyday. Can't sit because they can't breathe. Heart starts failing because they don't have enough oxygen. Anyone who has seen someone die from the effects of smoking knows exactly what I am talking about. I don't want to see my children or grandchildren go through that because our rights as non smokers are violated every day. I can't even walk past the door at Walmart or any kind of store without being overwhelmed by smoke. Someone who dies from emphysema does not die quickly or easily. Know your facts before you quote some internet sight which may or may not have the correct facts. I have some medical journals you are welcome to read if you would like some real facts on affects. I agree the smokers have had their way along time and the heck with what the non smokers think. Besides you still have your own home and your car to smoke in. "
LAPDWayne wrote on Feb 12, 2008 12:25 PM:
" Why didn't those 3 closed locations have outside smoking areas like they do in CA.
Los Angeles has had a smoking ban for years
and it has not effected any bar or restaurant to close down. They all had outside areas for smokers. I know the weather here kind of defeats that, then put up an outdoor area that is covered with a roof, like a patio area. I am glad that Cheyenne has the ban, it was long overdue. I hope it does go state wide sooner then later. "
Los Angeles has had a smoking ban for years
and it has not effected any bar or restaurant to close down. They all had outside areas for smokers. I know the weather here kind of defeats that, then put up an outdoor area that is covered with a roof, like a patio area. I am glad that Cheyenne has the ban, it was long overdue. I hope it does go state wide sooner then later. "
Perfume wrote on Feb 12, 2008 11:07 AM:
" My mother is allergic to perfume. I WANT TO BAND MEN AND WOMEN WEARING PERFUME TO GO INTO BARS, RESTAURANTS and ANY public place. She can not breath around the perfume. "
jason wrote on Feb 12, 2008 11:05 AM:
" unpaid agents for the multi-billion dollar tobacco industry! "
really??? This is interesting they never asked me to be an agent I do not go out promoting their products or services give me a break you have a choice NOT to go where people smoke as I have a choice and consideration of others prime example of someone who smoked everyday of his life was none other than George Burns he lived a long time and he also ate red meat and drank scotch what next that head of lettuce or that can of green beans gonna kill me or you next time you see a smoker ask them politely if they will not smoke by you or better yet you dont like it dont go the bar where this stuff goes on cause drinking will kill you too and yes I AM A HAPPY SMOKER go ride your whiney band wagon somewhere else "
really??? This is interesting they never asked me to be an agent I do not go out promoting their products or services give me a break you have a choice NOT to go where people smoke as I have a choice and consideration of others prime example of someone who smoked everyday of his life was none other than George Burns he lived a long time and he also ate red meat and drank scotch what next that head of lettuce or that can of green beans gonna kill me or you next time you see a smoker ask them politely if they will not smoke by you or better yet you dont like it dont go the bar where this stuff goes on cause drinking will kill you too and yes I AM A HAPPY SMOKER go ride your whiney band wagon somewhere else "
Response to don't-go-there wrote on Feb 12, 2008 9:17 AM:
" Smokers tend to avoid addressing the topic of the well-documented dangers of secondhand smoke. The issue is whether you have the right to impair my health. Any business which is open to the public IS public. Workers in smoking establishments should have the right to be protected from involuntary smoke. I went to a convention in Jackson last summer and was surprised when someone was smoking in the hotel lobby. The whole idea of a statewide ban is to protect all of the health-loving people of Wyoming. Every business will then be on a level playing field. Quit allowing yourselves to be duped into being unpaid agents for the multi-billion dollar tobacco industry! "
clean cut smoker wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:43 AM:
" I have brushed my teeth and I'm heading out to hang with you non-smokers. I have been out a couple nights now looking for y'all but no luck yet. Its like finding a yeti or Bigfoot I guess. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. I've been looking in the bars primarily but they are empty, I have a sneaky suspicion that you guys hang out in mostly eating establishments. I picture mostly unhappy overweight people who are leading this charge against the smokers. You guys do something to identify yourselves please. I would like to get to know you. "
Compromise wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM:
" Let me see if I have this right, we want to ban a legal product's use in places that people don't have to go to. It seems kinda like allowing people to purchase cars then telling them you cant drive them on the paved roads. How about a compromise. Let's make it so people that don't smoke have places to go and enjoy themselves and the smokers have places to go also. Look at that, the problem is solved. We all all people with the same rights aren't we? "
Bad idea wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:29 AM:
" Congratulations non-smokers. Since your smoking ban in Cheyenne went into effect you have successfully close down 3 well know establishments and put an unknown amount of people out of work (Smokers & Non-Smokers). I guess only time will tell how many of them will have they're house foreclosed on or have to file bankruptcy because of your noble efforts. Its probably not over yet either. I'm sure other businesses are on the verge of closing. When this town looks like Walcott and has tumble weeds rolling down 16th street you can all pat each other on the backs take a deep breath of your clean air and move on to the next town to destroy it too. "
lighten up wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:13 AM:
" It is obvious by reading the comments here that non-smokers are very unhappy people. Look at all the things they are calling the smokers. “Suicidal”, ”stinky, smoke smelling selves”, “alcoholics”, “Losers”, “lunger's”, I'm not even sure if thats a word? Man you people need to get a grip. Your too negative, probably a low self esteem issue.. I suggest you focus you attention on something else, go save whales or stray dogs. You'll feel just as good inside. "
Geraldo Dominguez wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Let's see...live old and in an old folks home with Alzhiemers or die young and happy. Jeez tough choice there.
Let's just talk about what this really is: Punishment. Non-Smokers don't like smokers and they have to punish them with smoking outside. If a person wants to die young, let them! Research indicates that they will save the tax payers (as stated before...I looked it up on the net: Source: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23189913-5006009,00.html?from=public_rss ) in the long run because they don't eat up the medicaid system.
Quit Wimpifying the world people. Life is dangerous, and banning things like cigarettes will certainly not postpone death...face it you are going to die no matter what you do. Unless you are a robot. "
Let's just talk about what this really is: Punishment. Non-Smokers don't like smokers and they have to punish them with smoking outside. If a person wants to die young, let them! Research indicates that they will save the tax payers (as stated before...I looked it up on the net: Source: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23189913-5006009,00.html?from=public_rss ) in the long run because they don't eat up the medicaid system.
Quit Wimpifying the world people. Life is dangerous, and banning things like cigarettes will certainly not postpone death...face it you are going to die no matter what you do. Unless you are a robot. "
DONT-GO-THERE wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:46 AM:
" What is up with you non-smokers? They act like they have no place to go and breath clean air. In case you guys didn't hear Cheyenne implemented a smoking ban last year. There are plenty of bars and restaurants to go to now that have clean air. There are very few places out in the county where you can go and smoke indoors. If you don't like that sort of thing then don't give them your business. Its a very simple concept. I'll give you an example: I don't like loud noises so I don't go out to NASCAR races. I don't like heights so I stay away from hot air balloons. I don't like hypocrites so I don't go to church. Get the idea? You non-smokers are so uptight. Maybe because you don't have so type of physical vice to cling to. Get a life people. Smokers don't want you at they're bars and restaurants. Get over it and just stay away from them. We need to ban whinny people! "
Freedom of choice wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:30 AM:
" Your absolutely right Smokescreen. No one wants to solve the tough issues. They just want us to look the other way while our society falls further in decay.
Most places, in Laramie county anyway, don't allow smoking in areas where people eat even though there is no ban. T-Joe's has a restaurant side (non-smoking) and a bar side (smoking). They could allow smoking in the dining area but they don't because they're patrons wouldn't like it. If you go there and can't take the smell of the bar smoke then I would suggest not going there any more. If they loose enough business they will adjust accordingly. Let business's decide on this issue. After all they are not really public places they are business's. You don't have to go there involuntarily. If the people that go there want to smoke the business should be allowed to let them. "
Most places, in Laramie county anyway, don't allow smoking in areas where people eat even though there is no ban. T-Joe's has a restaurant side (non-smoking) and a bar side (smoking). They could allow smoking in the dining area but they don't because they're patrons wouldn't like it. If you go there and can't take the smell of the bar smoke then I would suggest not going there any more. If they loose enough business they will adjust accordingly. Let business's decide on this issue. After all they are not really public places they are business's. You don't have to go there involuntarily. If the people that go there want to smoke the business should be allowed to let them. "
Jason wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:00 AM:
" After reading all of these posts it concerns me as said in my previous post I smoke not around anyone I choose to do it only around others after asking if smoking bothers them it is called consideration do you think for one minute that state law makers make you aware of their pet projects considerations??? $800 toilet seats $1200 dollar hammers yeah right what "PET PROJECTS" are attatched to this bill? Noone knows because that is not public knowledge until after the bill is passed and the money is appropriated all of the laws and bills passed should be public knowledge and posted in the paper for a vote from THE PEOPLE thats what this country was founded on a voice of the people I commend all of you for having a voice and a right to choose now let me have my right to choose I choose to smoke that is my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT "
chrissy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 5:40 AM:
" Before all u nonsmokers start pointing fingers , know the facts first. I don't smoke around children or people with health problems ! I don't blow my second hand smoke in people's faces, I and I alone pay for my own health care . I respect peoples wishes who do not smoke and don't light up when I'm around them . But it is my right to smoke when I want. I would rather die from smoking than to die from some drunk behind a wheel of a car. Don't make all smokers into monsters because we are not. "
Concerned wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:41 AM:
" Wake up people! Everytime a law that restricts our civil liberties is passed, regardless of the issue, we as citizens of this great nation lose a little bit more of our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! "
death and disease wrote on Feb 11, 2008 9:59 PM:
" It is amazing how addiction to smoking can cause you to overlook the consequences. I have witnessed the SLOW and painful death of a family member from smoking-related emphysema. It is like drowning in your own mucous. If you think it can't happen to you, think again. But here in Wyoming, we want that right to commit suicide! "
Smokescreen wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:56 PM:
" It seems this issue is pretty evenly split. Everyone needs to take a step back and see this for what this really is, a SMOKESCREEN. In a time where an impending recession is staring us in the face, the housing market sinking fast, health care costs are up, the richer are getting richer and the poorer are getting broke, we're being diverted from real issues. No politician wants to solve real problems anymore. They want something they can WIN. This is one of the easiest issues to push through a legislature these days, its CHEAP! Just look at its track record across the country. Smokers are the minority today and its perfectly okay to discriminate against them because they aren't a race. I am fairly sure that Lori Millin isn't really concerned about second hand smoke, she's just looking for an easy win folks. I'm a non-smoker but I vote no to a ban. Solve some real problems first and you'll get my support. "
Change wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:52 PM:
" This is all about change. Smokers have had it their way and are having a hard time accepting that a lot of people do not want to be around secondhand smoke anymore. The smoking ban makes it nice to go out again and not smell like an ashtray.
Freedom??? You bet! Freedom to breathe clean air! "
Freedom??? You bet! Freedom to breathe clean air! "
Brooks u Dunn wrote on Feb 11, 2008 6:54 PM:
" I'm Popeye the Sailor man, toot...toot and I smoke a pipe, but I'm strong to the finish cus I eat me spinach, and my pipe tobacco hasn't harmed me a bit...toot..toot "
MB wrote on Feb 11, 2008 3:41 PM:
" I can't believe how bent out of shape some people get over this issue. I'd venture to say that those who get upset about it are either smokers, or have never been somewhere that you can actually breath in a bar and don't know how pleasant it is. "
To Chrissy wrote on Feb 11, 2008 2:21 PM:
" We understand your right to smoke if that is what you want to do, but have you considered that you affect non-smokers and that does not give us a choice? You take our choice of breathing your second hand smoke and give us lung diseases. Have you considered our children who have to breath your choice? Get real!!!! Smoke in the great outdoors where it won't bother us or our kids. "
Graffenburg wrote on Feb 11, 2008 1:38 PM:
" Hey there Observer, site your source of that healthcare arguement please. Thanks. Oh and guess what sirs: MEDICAID IS PAID FOR BY SMOKERS! THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE IT. "
nobody special wrote on Feb 11, 2008 12:39 PM:
" there is no point in getting too worked up about this. there are always going to be those people who think they know everything trying to step in and control it all. they have no control over their own lives so they get on a high horse and get loud mouthed and trick themselves into thinking they are doing something wonderful. when they do this they probably dont even know where their kids are. they are trying to form some kind of liberty march to ban the smoking instead of spending time with their families. "not now honey, i cant help you with your homework because im writing in some stupid comment to all the bad, bad smokers" "
ccc wrote on Feb 11, 2008 12:23 PM:
" looks like the writings on the wall! you smokey stinky bastards! "
stinky wrote on Feb 11, 2008 10:58 AM:
" Well, if there is a ban, then keep your stinky, smoke smelling selves at home then. I smoke and I would like to see a ban in all public places, because smoking just stinks. This town is so freaking ridiculous ... all the restaurants in this town dont allow smoking anyways ... if they ban it in bars, what is the freaking difference? Oh, because you alcoholics have to smoke while you drink. I have an idea, get a life, quit drinking and smoking and save yourself. Losers in Cheyenne have no idea what it's like to breath fresh air. I have an idea, get off your smoking butt, go outside and walk around, heck, it might do you some good, not only will you lose weight, but the wind might freshen you up since all of you smokers can't even walk to your own bathrooms to shower! Maybe if you quit smoking now, then you can take your reservation off of the oxygen tank you will need when your yellow toothed, wrinkled body gets older. "
cheyresident wrote on Feb 11, 2008 10:09 AM:
" If you have the right to a non-smoking place, you should have the right to have a smoking place, for those who do smoke. I believe that some restrictions on where smokers can light up are acceptable,but the ban shouldn't take an all or nothing stance. There should be some middle ground. We're supposed to be the home of the free, but we're not, we're steadily and progressively being told what we can and cannot do--soon we won't have any freedoms at all. "
Coppers wrote on Feb 11, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Yeah prohibition is such a good idea. Let's create a whole new black market. Think the cops have a hard time containing the drug community? Outlaw tobacco. People don't think when they ban, banning brings a slew of other elements that I am certain they wouldn't want in their town. Look what happened when alcohol was banned. Mafia anyone? "
Ol! wrote on Feb 11, 2008 9:29 AM:
" I think people are missing the whole point here. The only person that is actually being treated unfair is the business owner. (I love our selfish country!!) Step back and think about the person that are really effected and the real meaning of the situation. It is never good when the government steps in to try and regulate things like this. Personally I like non-smoking establishments, but it doesn’t mean that all adult places should be non-smoking. I think the government should start regulating obese people, and illegals. They are the real problem, but then why stop there! "
Observer wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:52 AM:
" Chrissy wrote...."There is so many more important items the government could be working on. Health care,....". ROTFLMAO at that one. Chrissy, are you serious about your statement? Read it and think about it. Here you 'lungers' are running around with an oxygen tube up your nose due to your cigarette habit and passing your second hand smoke around to us non-smokers and you're proposing government should do more for healthcare? It starts with you and your smoking buddies. You are a major cause of the health problems in this country, not only for yourselves but those around you. Get a clue. BTW, I was a 2 pack a day smoker for 20 years. My parents were smokers and I quit after watching them both die from smoking related diseases. "
Jonathan Bently wrote on Feb 11, 2008 7:06 AM:
" What blows me away is that non-smokers have made this such an issue above all other issues. Children starving, Meth houses, Marijuanna usage running rampant in family homes, domestic violence, water rights, un-balanced growth...the State Legistlature has MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER. Quit Wasting the tax-payer's money. "
To DM RT wrote on Feb 11, 2008 7:00 AM:
" Did you not see the article the other day stating that non-smokers actually cost the taxpayer more money in health expense because THEY LIVE LONGER?! Get off your high horse, your lame position on health finance has no bearing. "
chrissy wrote on Feb 11, 2008 5:45 AM:
" If I have to give up my right to smoke then you better make people quit driving! What the heck do u think comes out of the exaust? Clean air..........not. I'm tired of the government running my life. There is so many more important items the government could be working on . Health care, raising wages beside their own , better education, etc. Land of the free? I think not. No wonder people are so hateful! Let the goverment walk in the common person's shoes for awhile and see if they don't feel the same way. Take off the rose colored glasses and get a clue! "
Cough, cough wrote on Feb 10, 2008 9:51 PM:
" Now why would we expect smoking in a bar? Because it's always been that way?
That's the point. We have learned about the hazards and it's time to educate people.
And it has to start somewhere. I applaud
Lori and Bob. "
That's the point. We have learned about the hazards and it's time to educate people.
And it has to start somewhere. I applaud
Lori and Bob. "
RRP wrote on Feb 10, 2008 3:37 PM:
" I am a veteran and do not belong to either the American Legion of the VFW because I can't go to either place because of the smoke. I definitely support a ban from all public places. It sure is nice to be able to go to any restaurant and not have to smell someones smoke "
sporker wrote on Feb 10, 2008 3:01 PM:
" WTE Editorial comments: “Senator Bob Fecht - as promised - is bringing back a bill that would address the issue of cleaning up meth houses in Wyoming. Wyoming doesn't have a huge number of these meth houses. Most of today's meth is not made in clandestine labs, but is shipped in trucks from Mexico. One of the objects of SF 19 is to provide some relief to residents in the Avenues area of Cheyenne who continue to live near a contaminated former meth house. That property remains a detriment to the community, yet the owner, who lives out of state, doesn't seem to care that his property is ruining real-estate values and possibly endangering neighbors. The house is in such bad shape that it may have to be demolished.”
The owner doesn’t care? What a joke! The Avenues house is brick construction and was never a meth lab. Senator “Chief of Police” Bob Fecht’s attempt with SF 19 is a classic property seizure. Which Mayor Jack Spiker crony will benefit? Senator Fecht and Representative Millin are the new Cheyenne and Wyoming nannies to all. They know what’s best for all of us. We are all infants.
"
The owner doesn’t care? What a joke! The Avenues house is brick construction and was never a meth lab. Senator “Chief of Police” Bob Fecht’s attempt with SF 19 is a classic property seizure. Which Mayor Jack Spiker crony will benefit? Senator Fecht and Representative Millin are the new Cheyenne and Wyoming nannies to all. They know what’s best for all of us. We are all infants.
"
Duke wrote on Feb 10, 2008 11:36 AM:
" I travel a fair amount for a living. Believe me, smoking bans do work. The atmosphere in restaurants and bars without smoking is just so much better than with the smoggy, smokey air. Once a ban comes into force virtually nobody wants to go back to the old days of dirty air. Even the smoking staff appreciate the improvement in air quality, never mind that they can now see across the room and don't have to clean away the grime caused by tobacco smoke. And the non-smoking staff can worry less about getting illnesses like heart disease, emphysema and lung cancer that are caused by exposure to secondhand smoke. And people who are concerned about the health of themsevles and their kids can go out to these places more comfortably. "
Ryan wrote on Feb 10, 2008 6:56 AM:
" I live in cleveland ohio and the bars and pubs here(where there is a smoking ban)simply charge $1.00 to smokers, that money is put in a "jar" if they get fined by the state, presto the fine is paid in advance.Too funny these bans are useless. "
Ken wrote on Feb 10, 2008 1:47 AM:
" Dear Lori Millen,
I appreciate your concern for those of us who are subjected to second hand smoke when we go into the bar after 6 days of driving cattle & fixing fences. Out there, the wind drives the smoke away from our mouths so the cows don't suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Take your family downwind at your next campout as I certainly wouldn't want you to inhale 2nd hand smoke while cooking weenies or smores. My caveman ancestor was able to handle the campfire smoke. Hey, start legislating against chewing tobacco, since us Wyoming cowboys have to undo stress somehow. Me and the boys appreciate your concern for us. We need a nanny like you. Heck, nobody else looks out for our health. Daddy smoked and hated it so it's great that you're trying to tell me how to conduct my self.
Ken,Cheyenne "
I appreciate your concern for those of us who are subjected to second hand smoke when we go into the bar after 6 days of driving cattle & fixing fences. Out there, the wind drives the smoke away from our mouths so the cows don't suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Take your family downwind at your next campout as I certainly wouldn't want you to inhale 2nd hand smoke while cooking weenies or smores. My caveman ancestor was able to handle the campfire smoke. Hey, start legislating against chewing tobacco, since us Wyoming cowboys have to undo stress somehow. Me and the boys appreciate your concern for us. We need a nanny like you. Heck, nobody else looks out for our health. Daddy smoked and hated it so it's great that you're trying to tell me how to conduct my self.
Ken,Cheyenne "
ah who cares wrote on Feb 10, 2008 12:59 AM:
" I beleive people have a right to do as they please so let them smoke if thats what they want to do. I smoke and if a non-smoker came to my home I wouldnt put it out.Even if smoking is banned in public places people will continue to smoke so really what are you accomplishing????????? "
DM RT wrote on Feb 10, 2008 12:36 AM:
" Little of you know cigarettes have never been approved by the FDA in the USA andthey are the only product out there, that if used by the directions, will kill you. I smoke cigars but haven't any problem with them banning tobacco totally in the continental USA. Tobacco costs the tax payers billions a year in health related expenses, the only thing above that is the illegals on welfare!!! Look it up I can provide the web addresses. "
Jason wrote on Feb 9, 2008 11:11 PM:
" hmmmm smoking ban yeah thats not such a good idea I smoke love to smoke in my car in my truck I think it should be my choice I also am considerate of others and do not smoke around them if they do not smoke and I do ask before lighting up so before all of you hypocrites try to decide for me think again I believe in being considerate of others so be considerate of MY CHOICE it is my constitutional right "
JimStorerBURNS wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:25 PM:
" Not so long ago buses, trains, and their ticket stations; airports and airplanes; grocery stores, and nearly public buildings were rife with smoke stench and cigarette butt containers. We have taken some great steps forward. Still, I am tempted to think some of the far-reaching bans and proposed bans go too far, and related education is stressed too little. Representative Millen is on the right track, though.
The WT-E front page piece 5 Feb “Less is spent on shorter, unhealthy lives” reports that a Dutch research project concludes that lifetime health care cost is, indeed, less for smokers than for non-smokers. I (and probably many thousands of other laymen) reached this conclusion years ago. Why? Because they are apt to die sooner and from illnesses, including cancer, that kill quicker than do increasingly expensive lingering and multiple ailments and infirmities that often accompany advanced age.
Regardless, the worth and enjoyment of living surely is not best valued by actuary tables. I was a heavy chain smoker for forty-seven years. I quit smoking eight years ago, and I, the environment, and all with whom I associate are better off for "
The WT-E front page piece 5 Feb “Less is spent on shorter, unhealthy lives” reports that a Dutch research project concludes that lifetime health care cost is, indeed, less for smokers than for non-smokers. I (and probably many thousands of other laymen) reached this conclusion years ago. Why? Because they are apt to die sooner and from illnesses, including cancer, that kill quicker than do increasingly expensive lingering and multiple ailments and infirmities that often accompany advanced age.
Regardless, the worth and enjoyment of living surely is not best valued by actuary tables. I was a heavy chain smoker for forty-seven years. I quit smoking eight years ago, and I, the environment, and all with whom I associate are better off for "
Bob & Friends wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:03 PM:
" Sure, lets ban smoking. It should not be our right to decide how we die. Only the Government should have the right to decide that. Haven't we been listening to what the Government has been telling us? Don't we relize that we are to stupid to make decisions for ourselves. Maybe Jeff Ketchum didn't pass a ban because he thought people don't want a ban. Go for it Miss Lori Kavorkian. Maybe it will be politicle suiside for you. "
me wrote on Feb 9, 2008 7:19 PM:
" to Bill T...i totally agree with you. its just sad that others dont. "
joe one pack wrote on Feb 9, 2008 7:00 PM:
" Second hand smoke was just reported to have killed a waitress in a bar in Michigan. The waitress had asthma and the smoke in the bar triggered an asthma attack and she died on the dance floor. That reason alone is enough for a ban on smoking. "
WY Trump wrote on Feb 9, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Man I just thought of a little ancillary benefit of my plan. I wont have to give any tax money to the state. Since it will be a private residence-party I will be able to do what ever I want basically. Gambling, strippers, ect. All the profits from donations can go to my favorite charity, ME! Hopefully others will get on board with this. We can start a network of private residences to party at. Of course NO-NON SMOKERS allowed! You see we will just adjust to your stupid legislation. History shows this to be the case. So go ahead and make whatever laws you want. We'll adjust and prosper. "
WY Trump wrote on Feb 9, 2008 6:06 PM:
" Boy I hope they do ban smoking in public places. I am going to capitalize on this. I plan on renovating my barn and turning it into a bar/dance hall where I will be able to have a couple hundred friends come out every weekend and smoke and drink. Since I live in the county and have lots of land parking wont be an issue. Ill have to make it either BYOB or they can pitch in some money to help with my expense of the alcohol. Of course there will be music and some TV's to watch sports bar stools and lights. I could even have strippers I guess. If you didn't know you were at a private residence you would think you were at a bar. Thank you Wyoming legislature, I can see this becoming very profitable for me in the future. "
j wrote on Feb 9, 2008 5:40 PM:
" Ok I am a smoker, and yes
I am aware of the dangers
of it.Ban in restaurants,
in offices (which you dont see smoking in anymore anyways). But come on, please tell me that when you walk into a bar you don't expect smoking? coffee
houses, and other places like that, that we do not even have here yet, we are not california, florida, or washington. Next you are going to tell us that we will not be able to wipe our rears with toilet paper cause it causes the death of hundred of trees. if you want these type of laws, go to a southern state. I enjoy wyoming, and the freedom that we are trying like heck to hold onto. we don't want populated state laws. "
I am aware of the dangers
of it.Ban in restaurants,
in offices (which you dont see smoking in anymore anyways). But come on, please tell me that when you walk into a bar you don't expect smoking? coffee
houses, and other places like that, that we do not even have here yet, we are not california, florida, or washington. Next you are going to tell us that we will not be able to wipe our rears with toilet paper cause it causes the death of hundred of trees. if you want these type of laws, go to a southern state. I enjoy wyoming, and the freedom that we are trying like heck to hold onto. we don't want populated state laws. "
Pete wrote on Feb 9, 2008 5:20 PM:
" There's no freedom in harming citizen's health by allowing smoking inside businesses. People smoke outdoors at work, and many smoke outdoors at home to protect their families' health. We certainly know now that second hand smoke has significant negative effects on the health of customers, and especially the staff that work at these businesses that still allow indoor smoking. Why should people get heart disease, emphysema or lung cancer so that smokers don't have to take smoke breaks outdoors?! Most of the rest of the country already has a statewide smoking ban. Why should the people of Wyoming not also enjoy the same public health protection? "
Bill T wrote on Feb 9, 2008 3:49 PM:
" As a combat wounded veteran of the Vietanm War where was Millin to protect me from the US Army or NVA bulletts or incoming mortar round. The US governemnt supplied us with FREE Cigarettes. The way I see it I fought for our freedoms, and that includes the choice to smoke. Stop taking RIGHTS away from us. If people don't want to be around second hand smoke that's their choice. As far as the VFW and American Legion is concerned as a PRIVATE CLUB, both are VETERAN organizations, we desire that right to smoke in our club. IF you don't like our freedoms maybe you should go to Iraq or Afganistan and live there. You will really learn the true meaning of FREEDOM. "
me wrote on Feb 9, 2008 3:28 PM:
" why stop there? ban chocolate cake so our kids wont be obese. ban alcohol so we wont have any more DUIs or drunk driving accidents and deaths. ban the color red because i dont like looking at it. "
It's about time wrote on Feb 9, 2008 2:45 PM:
" I am in total agreement for this. Heck, I smoke and I think if you are going to ban it, then do it completly through out the state. So many small bar owners have been hurt in this town, while The Outlaw reaps all the benefits. This smoking ban in Cheyenne has pretty much closed all competition amongst the clubs, because everyone goes to The Outlaw just so they can smoke. Make it equal! "
Yesssss! wrote on Feb 9, 2008 1:31 PM:
" Go Lori! Go Bob!
We need to get this passed for the citizens of WY as it is a harmful, harmful habit both for the smokers and those around them.
"
We need to get this passed for the citizens of WY as it is a harmful, harmful habit both for the smokers and those around them.
"
BW wrote on Feb 9, 2008 11:18 AM:
" I worked at a federal govt. building at a time when smoking was supposed to be banned. I was involuntarily exposed to secondhand smoke on a daily basis there. I now have a type of cancer, at a young age, which is most often caused by smoking. Though I can't prove the correlation, I believe this to the cause, since I do not exhibit any of the other risk factors. Why should anyone be exposed to the unhealthy choices of others? I support this legislation. "
Phil wrote on Feb 9, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Smoking bans are now in force in most of the US and most of the developed world. I'm not sure why the citizens of Wyoming don't deserve the same level of protection from second hand smoke. It's more than just a nuisance, it actually kills some people, and makes many others very sick. "
Matter of time... wrote on Feb 9, 2008 10:41 AM:
" Everyone knows, including smokers, that this ban will go into effect if not this round, but within the next five years. No point in dragging, no pun intended, this out any longer. Get it passed and move on to more modern, and important topics. "
CO$T wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:42 AM:
" I'm tired of breathing Jack Quirk's second hand smoke and listening to his wore out ideas. "
Who's Telling The Truth? wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Gov. Freudenthal says "smoking ban decisions should be made at the local level". Jeff Ketchum says the County Commissioners don't have the authority to ban smoking. I have no reason to believe Mr. Ketchum. "
Amanda wrote on Feb 9, 2008 9:31 AM:
" I beleive that a smoke free wyoming would be ideal. People that do not smoke shouldn't have to breathe in second hand smoke. I agree that it would be in the best interst of Wyomingnites. Restrictions should be limited though. Work places, meeting halls, public trans, and definatly resturants. "
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