'No' to rec center, 'Yes' to the rest
By Jodi Rogstad and Baylie Davis
news@wyomingnews.com
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| AARON ONTIVEROZ/WTE Kari Kivisto, right, and Shannon Youmans react to early results that indicated Proposition 4, a $55 million recreation center, likely would not pass Monday night at First Interstate Bank. Both women work for the city Parks and Recreation Department and supported the proposition. |
CHEYENNE -- The people of Laramie County did not go for a new community and recreation center in the Capital City.
With support from 45 percent of the voters in Tuesday's sixth-penny sales tax election, the $58 million facility ($55 million was on the ballot) will not be built in Cheyenne, unless city leaders find some other opportunity to fund it.
Proposition 1 passed with little doubt, even in the earliest returns, with nearly 68 percent of voters supporting a Greenway extension and an indoor-outdoor shooting range.
Despite vocal opponents of Proposition 2 who thought the airport did not need $1.5 million to pay for designing a new terminal, 65 percent of voters said yes.
Additions to the Archer Complex also did well, despite little promotion from supporters. Just over 53 percent of voters said yes to Proposition 3.
But the rec center was the centerpiece on the ballot. After deciding not to fund it with land sales, the city decided last year it should go to the sixth-penny, or specific purpose, tax.
After several years of planning, dozens of public meetings and with construction documents in hand, voters turned it down.
This is the second time voters have not supported a recreation facility for Cheyenne: In 1996, voters rejected spending $20 million in sixth-penny sales tax money on a recreation facility.
"In spite of a lot of political rhetoric and a lot of political fluff trying to say it was a need, most voters can think on their own, and I'm glad of that," Burns Mayor Vernon Testerman Jr. said. "Hopefully it's a wake-up call to the Cheyenne political leaders to say, 'Hey look, we need to think about what we're doing next time.'"
In the future, a smaller-scale project might pass, Testerman added, but this one was just too much.
Out of 35,542 registered voters, 19,415 cast ballots, including about 6,000 who voted absentee. That was 55 percent voter turnout; 60 percent turned out for the last sixth-penny election in 2003.
Proposition 1 - Approved
The proposition that includes a Greenway bridge and a new indoor-outdoor shooting range on the Archer Complex passed very handily: 13,154 voters were in favor of it, while 6,261 were against it.
As well liked as the Greenway is, quite possibly, hunters and trap shooters wanting the new $3 million indoor-outdoor shooting range carried the day.
"I'm sure all the shooters - if they have a place to shoot or not - always want another range," said Dick Smith, president of Cheyenne Public Shooting Park Corp. "But I'm sure in Wyoming there's more gun people than Greenway people."
Tuesday's victory was especially sweet for Smith.
Since 1991, he's has been seeking some way to get an indoor-outdoor shooting range built. Laramie County has a number of shooting clubs, but no public facilities.
"Now it means I really have to go to work, finding people to build it, run it and manage it, all that stuff," Smith said. "But that's good."
He said he hopes with the help of revenue bonds, "we should be able to shoot there in two years."
Included on the ballot was $2.8 million to add nearly four miles of off-road pathway and a safe passage from Nationway to Holliday Park, which could take the form of a bridge.
For Shane Smith, director of the Cheyenne Botanic Gardens, passage means $750,000 for design work for repairs, renovation and expansion of the greenhouse.
Depending on land sales to fund the building itself, Smith hopes construction will start in 2010.
"After 30 years of existence, we're proud and honored," Smith said. "This is our first ballot issue. It's confirmation we've been doing the right thing for 30 years - doing more with less, trying to be frugal."
Also on the ballot were:
n $300,000 toward renovation of the Burns elementary school for public space: offices for government and for lease, a recreation center and a day-care center.
"It's something that we can use for everything, especially in a small town," Testerman said. "We've worked hard for that."
n $855,000 to build a new Pine Bluffs day-care facility.
"If we're going to keep our young people here, we've got to supply that service," said Pine Bluffs Mayor Leonard Anderson.
n $1.6 million to remodel the Pine Bluffs Community Center.
n $316,000 to pave the parking lot and resurface the swimming pool at Reher Park and make improvements to the Pine Bluffs City Park.
n $60,000 for a new cemetery sprinkler system at Pine Bluffs Cemetery.
Proposition 2 - Approved
A vocal opposition forecast a rough ride for the Cheyenne Regional Airport's request to set aside $1.5 million to design a new airport terminal. On Tuesday, that opposition proved ineffective, with 65 percent of voters approving Proposition 2.
Last year, 16,496 passengers boarded flights at the airport. Airport officials say it needs an updated terminal, which could be an economic development asset and provide additional space for another carrier should one want to locate here.
Construction would begin in 2015.
"It's really just the first step in what's going to be a tremendous asset for the city," airport manager David Haring said.
Despite the resistance to the proposition, Haring said he didn't find it too difficult to get it passed. The need for an updated gateway to the city and draw for businesses outweighed the relatively small amount of airport traffic, he said.
"It's as much of a gateway as the 'Welcome to Cheyenne' sign," he said.
Pine Bluffs had, arguably, one of the most critical projects on the ballot: $2 million to tap into additional water sources and enlarge some water mains. The town of more than 1,100 in eastern Laramie County is drying up: Last summer, three of its five wells went dry, and another is working at half the capacity.
"We're really, really, really thankful and real elated for this to be happening," Pine Bluffs Mayor Leonard Anderson said. "We are looking for water and got some options with this money that's going to get us where we need to get."
Burns asked for $1.5 million for town water improvements in preparation for its new elementary school.
"To me, this was the most important thing that we needed," Testerman said. "It's a great victory for the small towns and what we need here."
Laramie County sought $817,732 for upgrades to its computer system and building security. This would provide a backup storage system, which county officials say is needed, especially for law enforcement.
With the passage of the proposition, Laramie County Commissioner Jeff Ketcham said he's glad to know the records of the county will be safe if a catastrophic event were to occur.
Other projects in Proposition 2 included:
n $1 million for Albin for sewer line improvements and street repair.
n $560,351 for Albin for a new sanitation truck, Dumpsters and a road grader.
n $137,086 for Burns to buy off the lease for its police vehicle and a new sanitation truck.
n $322,000 for Burns sewer and lagoon improvements.
n $64,000 for Burns street dust control.
n $1.2 million for Pine Bluffs sewer main and electrical system upgrades.
n $370,000 for Pine Bluffs to replace snow removal trucks and police vehicles.
n $250,000 for Pine Bluffs to fund a four-year supply of crack, chip and fog sealing.
Proposition 3 - Approved
The $30 million Archer Complex infrastructure proposition passed by a narrow margin Tuesday with 53 percent of votes, meaning the Laramie County coroner will have permanent new facilities for autopsies and the morgue.
"When we purchased Archer in 2004, it was purchased with the future of Laramie County in mind. And now that vision is becoming a reality," Ketcham said. "The voters have given us the vision."
Going forward, he said, community involvement will be important to "be sure that what we're doing is what the people of Laramie County want us to do," Ketcham said.
Four years ago, Laramie County bought 876 acres from the University of Wyoming, which served as a research station. It is located nine miles east of downtown Cheyenne, just south of Interstate 80.
Already, the Cheyenne Cycle Club has built a motocross track there, and the Cheyenne Public Shooting Park Corp. sought nearly $3 million in sixth-penny money to build an indoor-outdoor shooting facility under Proposition 1, which passedTuesday.
The $30.6 million will build new facilities for the coroner, Public Works, Emergency Management, the University of Wyoming Cooperative Extension Office, and Planning and Development. It also will lay the infrastructure for the acreage - roads, gas, sewer, water and electricity. That infrastructure will allow the county to sell shovel-ready land for a business park.
The proposition was rather quietly supported, and Ketcham added that he's "tickled" with the result.
He also wanted to thank the voters.
"You can't ever underestimate what they're going to do," he said.
Proposition 4 - Rejected
Voters did not support a recreation center for Cheyenne. The $55 million in funding toward the facility went down by 1,712 votes: 8,851 voted yes, and 10,563 voted no.
At $58 million and 170,000 square feet, it would have been the largest project the city has taken on.
Mayor Jack Spiker had predicted in the days leading up to the election that it would pass with 65 to 70 percent of the vote. He had been encouraged by the $10,000 poll paid for by the political action committee supporting Proposition 4.
Since the poll was taken, he said, there's been a lot of bad news about rising food and gas prices and the recession, which probably hurt the rec center.
"I'm just very, very disappointed," Spiker said. "I guess I didn't see it coming. ... For the life of me, I can't think of what we could have done better. The voters have spoken, and we'll move on. ...
"(My wife) Karen and I were in Greeley a couple of weeks ago, we visited their rec center, and it was jam-packed with kids having a good time. I'm disappointed for our community. Maybe another time or source of revenue."
"It's kind of a bummer," said Todd Feezer, the special projects director for the Parks and Recreation Department.
He thought he had spoken to nearly 9,000 people over the weeks and months, giving presentations to groups and answering their questions.
"I don't know if it was any one thing," Feezer said. "It was an exciting process to go though, but I'm glad it's over."
Opponents of the facility were vocal, especially in the month leading up to the election. The cost of the facility was at the top of the list, followed by its proposed location and the fact that it had fitness facilities that would compete with private health clubs.
Local resident Bertie Price said she was relieved upon hearing the results of the election.
"The rec center was too big," Price said. "What they proposed fit in a population triple the size of Cheyenne."
She added the city is faced with more important issues than expanding recreation - like the water supply and the nearly full landfill.
Reader Comments
anything wrote on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM:
Mothers Day wrote on May 14, 2008 1:03 PM:
Wreck center wrote on May 14, 2008 1:00 PM:
To Runner Chick wrote on May 14, 2008 12:58 PM:
wyorebel wrote on May 14, 2008 9:14 AM:
Something For The Money wrote on May 14, 2008 8:56 AM:
SS Lives wrote on May 13, 2008 5:55 PM:
HighHopes wrote on May 13, 2008 5:01 PM:
ChangeCanHappen wrote on May 13, 2008 12:08 PM:
Tune It Up wrote on May 13, 2008 9:45 AM:
Green features to the facility. Maybe a atrium that is passive solar to help defrey costs. It's a no brainer that Cheyenne needs to get its foot in the door for alternative energy, whether it's solar, wind, geo-thermal or inceneration of garbage. Design is the key to passage. Let's get Green for the Rec Center. And Youth can volunteer and bring cans to help pay the user fees. The cost of ignoring your health is enormous. So all couch potatoes unite for change and a facility that is open to meet your needs. Add sky lights, more windows, plantings and energy savings. It might cost more but the savings should be able to offset the initial cost. Get back to the drawing board. We don't have time to wait forever. Cheyenne should know that we have to do things for ourselves the state isn't handling our money to anyone these days. "
you people . . . wrote on May 13, 2008 9:42 AM:
ChangeHappens wrote on May 13, 2008 8:35 AM:
blah blah blah wrote on May 13, 2008 3:55 AM:
JD wrote on May 13, 2008 3:21 AM:
CFNCG wrote on May 12, 2008 11:13 PM:
David wrote on May 12, 2008 9:35 PM:
Good job RC!
What part of the vote "No" did you not understand?
I'm sure the criminal city council will forge ahead against the will of the voters and you will get your wish.
Hope you feel good when your recreation is paid for by stealing from your neighbor.
You "yes on 4" people are worse than common bankrobbers.
At least the robber has to take some risk.
You guys take no risk at all to steal from your neighbor. "
SS Lives wrote on May 12, 2008 5:34 PM:
Cry Babies wrote on May 12, 2008 2:19 PM:
JA wrote on May 12, 2008 1:32 PM:
JA wrote on May 12, 2008 1:29 PM:
Volunteer wrote on May 12, 2008 1:12 PM:
But But Yeah But... wrote on May 12, 2008 12:58 PM:
ENOUGH wrote on May 12, 2008 11:49 AM:
RT wrote on May 12, 2008 11:34 AM:
"....is an explanation of how The City of Cheyenne was going to guarantee every child in Laramie County free use of the facility...."
That was NEVER part of the plan. "
Runner Chick wrote on May 12, 2008 11:17 AM:
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ChangeCan Happen wrote on May 12, 2008 10:43 AM:
Confused wrote on May 12, 2008 9:26 AM:
TS wrote on May 12, 2008 7:48 AM:
CFNCG wrote on May 12, 2008 7:24 AM:
to A State Split wrote on May 12, 2008 7:07 AM:
BIG YAWN wrote on May 12, 2008 1:37 AM:
Ralphinphnx wrote on May 12, 2008 12:10 AM:
poor little old local
drugstore cowboys,and
hicks from the sticks
found enough courage to vote NO to Mayor
Skywalkers Costly and
Un-needed Recreation
Center,do you need a
vote first to run both
Skywalker and the City
Council out of town on
a rail or what since
your too lazy to recall Spiker and all
of them,my friends?
Or do ya'll have to go
clear it with your new
Messiah Barack Hussein
Obama first now then? "
mij wrote on May 11, 2008 5:55 PM:
To SS Lives wrote on May 11, 2008 2:19 PM:
PK wrote on May 11, 2008 11:50 AM:
You need to get out of your little upscale barricaded neighborhood and look around you. Most days you can't even see the mountains. Yuck. "
Not wrote on May 11, 2008 9:35 AM:
Patience wrote on May 11, 2008 7:42 AM:
Cheyenne Resident wrote on May 11, 2008 6:58 AM:
Caution: Although a menu style ballot has its appeal, imagine what the smaller communities will face when they need something and the Cheyenne voters are greedy and only vote for Cheyenne projects and against the smaller community projects. You want to see bias, that is what will happen. Cheyenne in its arrogance will control the smaller communities in their everyday life and pocketbook. So think before you leap. "
CFNCG wrote on May 10, 2008 11:05 PM:
losers wrote on May 10, 2008 10:33 PM:
Art wrote on May 10, 2008 10:31 PM:
Starving wrote on May 10, 2008 9:45 PM:
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 10, 2008 9:15 PM:
I do not know how the calming islands were built, possibly ward contingency funds. As for TJEC, I can not predict forever, but as for right now YES, it is paying for itself. "
SS Lives wrote on May 10, 2008 7:36 PM:
Like drug dealers on the corner, the SSers preyed on the fears and weakness of others to influence the vote against the Rec center. Are these the same folks who famously led the rejection of that beautiful Budweiser plant at Ft Collins, which ultimately led to a beautiful events center there.
Every argument they put forth against the rec center was stupid and based on selfishness. Democracy and free speech are great, but not when the SS is allowed to influence the votes of so many. Thanks for nothing SSers. Sieg Heil. "
For the Governing body.. wrote on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM:
Patience wrote on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM:
RalphinPhnx wrote on May 10, 2008 3:55 PM:
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 10, 2008 1:02 PM:
Adding onto the TJEC was looked at before the rec center was proposed, it was not and is not feasible. There is not enough land there in order to add on and still have a place to park. Yes I agree that government can feed you a line of bull in order to make you feel better, but that is not the case with every situation. You must trust them at times. It was not just the Mayor and council that looked into TJEC, they got other city departments involed and gather lots of input and feedback. Beside the fact that the rec center and TJEC were completely differnt in there offerings. "
Patience wrote on May 10, 2008 11:17 AM:
Dum Dums wrote on May 10, 2008 10:41 AM:
Michael Milliron wrote on May 10, 2008 10:10 AM:
Ralphinphnx wrote on May 10, 2008 10:02 AM:
Payers and my fullest
congratulations to all
of you,that voted NO
to Mayor Skywalker
Spiker idiotic costly
personal legacy loser
recreation center
nonsense.So go fix up
Storey Gym folks! "
My two cents... wrote on May 10, 2008 8:50 AM:
have an obligation to pay attention to their elected officials. Tax payers need to be concerned about the spending this city undertakes. Lets fix the small problems before we take on the bigger ones. Yes the event center was a good idea but was it a financially good idea?
Also, nobody cares about children more than you do. Again my two cents.
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agree with Terry wrote on May 10, 2008 8:38 AM:
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REALLY wrote on May 10, 2008 7:16 AM:
" REALLY
If figures lie and liars figure, then how can I win. You want to see the money, what exactly does that mean? How are you supposed to see the money. General funds from the City will not cover expenses at Taco Johns Events Center, therefore it is not costing the citizens money.
SO! General funds from the City will not cover expenses.
Your implying the skating rink will pay its own way forever.
If the general fund doesn't, the City has a fund that will. Do you know what fund covered the wonderful calming Islands on Vandahei. A 250K Slush fund.. "
Willie B Hurd wrote on May 10, 2008 6:22 AM:
One more time wrote on May 10, 2008 5:55 AM:
CFNCG wrote on May 10, 2008 12:58 AM:
Fact: Several investors lost money in The Taco Johns Events Center.
Fact: Government uses "Dis-Information" all the time to make a person believe they are looking out for the interest of individuals and the community. You are eating what they are feeding you.
The Mayor and City Council does not get something for nothing. The investors who they bailed out will give each member a campaign donation and endorsement for the next election. The Ice Rink should have been voted on by the taxpayers. Let us decide what our tax money should be going towards. Now that we have it lets make the best of it. Lets add-on at a fraction of the cost to make a rec center. "
Just my two cents... wrote on May 9, 2008 10:46 PM:
obviously have not experienced growth before.
The problem is the city is growing very rapidly, old money is finding it's way into the city as you can see for yourselves. How terrible is it that we as a city try and prevent local townships from growing.
It is in the interest of everyone to support this growth. You people are silly to think that the great city of Cheyenne can only stay small. I have news for you...The growth explosion has already happened. Put your seatbelt on because this town is taking off. My two cents "
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 9, 2008 10:21 PM:
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 9, 2008 10:18 PM:
If figures lie and liars figure, then how can I win. You want to see the money, what exactly does that mean? How are you supposed to see the money. General funds from the City will not cover expenses at Taco Johns Events Center, therefore it is not costing the citizens money.
Terry
You are sorely mistaken if you think that the small communities would be able to keep up with there infrastructure and needs if it were not for Cheyenne. Pine Bluffs and Burns made out the best from the 6th penny. That means that the people of Cheyenne are really paying for those improvements. And I too live in the county. "
Art wrote on May 9, 2008 10:05 PM:
Melanie Landsford.... wrote on May 9, 2008 8:50 PM:
Michael Milliron, I gave you my name so I hope that makes me less of a coward to you!! You say you work but you also complain that there isn't enough money in your household to support your adult children. Put them to work!! Please stop blaming the system. Your problems are stemming from your own household and the choices that you have made!! If you want to be a fat cat put your own family to work and stop blaming everyone around you that learned that lesson years ago! Your enemies in Cheyenne are all those folks with wives and children that work hard and have reasonable minds!! "
Architects of Stool wrote on May 9, 2008 5:58 PM:
Mark wrote on May 9, 2008 5:48 PM:
For Keeping the Faith wrote on May 9, 2008 1:43 PM:
Randall wrote on May 9, 2008 1:42 PM:
RT wrote on May 9, 2008 1:40 PM:
" RT, no I don't think that it will stop all youth crimes but it will give those that want to do something a chance"
Go back and read my whole response. I said I thought that the rec center would be an asset. I voted "YES" BTW. "
REALLY wrote on May 9, 2008 1:39 PM:
parent and coach wrote on May 9, 2008 12:09 PM:
Terry wrote on May 9, 2008 11:57 AM:
Commoner wrote on May 9, 2008 11:54 AM:
The rec center wouldn't have changed a darn thing with how teens have nothing to do here. Why not have a privately owned entertainment complex that's open until 2 am? Think outside of the box. Kids don't want to exercise on Friday night. Are you daft?! "
Youth Person wrote on May 9, 2008 10:22 AM:
Michael Milliron wrote on May 9, 2008 9:49 AM:
And runner chick, there is a difference between a Lady an a Woman. Wyoming Native , you could possibly be right. Cheyenne will continue to grow, but at what cost. Will the Council and Commission continue to sell out all of it's land to out-siders for pennies on the dollars and at dirt cheap taxes. They have already employed out of state workers at places such as Wal-Mart DC and other places. Most of the employees are not locals or didn't you know this? "
Confused wrote on May 9, 2008 9:46 AM:
Colo Spgs Resident wrote on May 9, 2008 8:37 AM:
I was born and raised in Cheyenne and moving to C. Springs. It was one of the best decisions I ever made. There is little traffic problems. You want traffic problems and crime? Move to Denver. Money magazine recently voted the springs as the best rated large city to live in. Garden of the Gods, the Broadmoor, Black Forest, Air Force Academy, Pikes Peak.. shall I go on? Cheyenne - All I can think of is Frontier Days. "
WY Atterney wrote on May 9, 2008 8:15 AM:
And this is the guy who wants to build a huge rec center? Mayor get one problem resolved before you embark on another "
David wrote on May 9, 2008 8:11 AM:
I agree with you.
Drive on!
The youths that would be involved in these problems would be so regardless of a rec center.
The parents and supporters are ridiculous.
"GIVE ME A REC CENTER OR MY KID IS GONNA SMOKE METH!"
This seems to be their argument.
In other words threaten us because you didn't get your way.
If that statement is true what it proves is that you are raising uncontrollable children and are the biggest part of the problem. "
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 9, 2008 7:34 AM:
The Taco Johns Events Center may have been a bail out, or maybe it was a great opportunity for the City to pick up a facility at a great low price. Yes that facility had lost money in previous years, but the current administration ran some numbers and thought it could make some money, and guess what, it is currently operating in the black. Spiker and the city council saw an opportunity for the citizens of Cheyenne, to be able to offer a service to them and improve services to them and it was at a fraction of the price for what something of that nature would normally cost. Get your facts straight. "
Patriot Eagle wrote on May 9, 2008 7:27 AM:
Monster wrote on May 9, 2008 6:47 AM:
And yes there are terrific teens out there and kudos to their parents!!! "
CFNCG wrote on May 8, 2008 11:50 PM:
Lets stop feeding the pig and vote these clowns out of office. The Citizens of Cheyenne deserve the most for there money. "
Have Faith wrote on May 8, 2008 11:46 PM:
new ranch name wrote on May 8, 2008 11:16 PM:
One thing I notice is that Pando Park is jamb packed with Sledders after every snow storm. I bet it it the most used park around. "
Michael wrote on May 8, 2008 11:11 PM:
GRLGOD wrote on May 8, 2008 10:57 PM:
Art wrote on May 8, 2008 9:46 PM:
My Tax Dollars hard at work wrote on May 8, 2008 8:47 PM:
Congrats to the local communities outside of Cheyenne as you too deserve some of the revenue. Twenty years from now when people profit from these upgrades they will be glad these spending allowances were made for both Cheyenne and our sister communities. "
No Hate wrote on May 8, 2008 8:41 PM:
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Airport Design wrote on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM:
Design to your hearts content its probably the last money you will get for sometime. "
Now lets see.. wrote on May 8, 2008 7:59 PM:
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 8, 2008 7:11 PM:
You are apparently one of the many misinformed or one of the people that did not do your homework before you start spouting off. If the rec center had passed, it would have been front loaded with bonds so that it could start construction this summer and have a planned opening in April 2010. Thats only 2 years away, so it would have been beneficial to those who have kids age 15 or younger. "
Keeping the Faith wrote on May 8, 2008 7:05 PM:
The recreation center was not proposed to be a babysitter for parents to dump their kids off. It was proposed to be a place for families to go to be able to spend time together and do activities as a family as well. And as for all the comments about having all these amenities that the rec center offered in the private sector, someone please tell me where I can take my kid in January when the temperature is 20 degrees with a wind chill below zero. Should I take him out into the park? The Y is the only thing close, and it has no indoor play structure, no leisure pool, and the gym is usually programmed, so where next? "
Samsonite wrote on May 8, 2008 5:24 PM:
To for RT wrote on May 8, 2008 3:59 PM:
PK wrote on May 8, 2008 3:48 PM:
So what if Cheyenne is anti-growth. Ever hear of majority rule? You want growth? Move to C.Springs and enjoy the gridlock and crime.
The Rec Center may be a good idea, somewhere down the line when location and cost are more thoroughly considered.
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RT wrote on May 8, 2008 3:39 PM:
" Do the people of Cheyenne actually believe a rec center would stop the youth crime here?"
While I still think the rec center would be an asset to the community, I am not crazy enough to believe that it would stop or even reduce youth crime. The youths who are committing crimes will continue to do so regardless of the amenities that the rest of us law abiding citizens would benefit from having. The only thing to do about youth crime is to harshly punish the offenders. Let them serve as an example to other young people who may be on the fence to becoming offenders themselves. "
Also a Youngster wrote on May 8, 2008 3:24 PM:
Young Person wrote on May 8, 2008 3:19 PM:
Benji wrote on May 8, 2008 2:38 PM:
Calm down, my friend. How can you label "Take a Set" as illiterate? You have no proof. Perhaps his typing skills are on par with mine. It is normally the sign of a shallow mind to attack the messanger in order to avoid analyzing the message. Shall I say that you have a shallow mind? No, I have no proof. "
WOW wrote on May 8, 2008 2:34 PM:
Mark wrote on May 8, 2008 1:54 PM:
Porky Jack wrote on May 8, 2008 1:47 PM:
For RT wrote on May 8, 2008 1:41 PM:
Love and Kisses, MOM
XXXXOOOO "
To jim t wrote on May 8, 2008 1:22 PM:
I did not want the shooting range, but the smaller communities out east deserve to have improvements and repairs. Also, would the shooting range have passed if it were on a separate proposition? Would the airport terminal? We will never know because per usual necessary items were lumped with unnecessary items.
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Gen wrote on May 8, 2008 12:50 PM:
Young Professional wrote on May 8, 2008 11:53 AM:
eric w wrote on May 8, 2008 11:44 AM:
DP wrote on May 8, 2008 11:42 AM:
DP wrote on May 8, 2008 11:32 AM:
March of the Pigs wrote on May 8, 2008 11:14 AM:
Wyo Native wrote on May 8, 2008 11:14 AM:
RT wrote on May 8, 2008 11:01 AM:
Take a Set wrote on May 8, 2008 9:32 AM:
" Burns Mayor, Please take a set. You won. ""
Do you mean "Take a SEAT"? The illiteracy displayed here is staggering! "
Bruiser wrote on May 8, 2008 10:50 AM:
youth support wrote on May 8, 2008 10:25 AM:
lefty wrote on May 8, 2008 10:06 AM:
Just a thought wrote on May 8, 2008 9:53 AM:
DP wrote on May 8, 2008 9:29 AM:
Confused wrote on May 8, 2008 9:12 AM:
Dont Blame wrote on May 8, 2008 9:11 AM:
stop crying wrote on May 8, 2008 8:56 AM:
Why wrote on May 8, 2008 8:23 AM:
DJ McMenus wrote on May 8, 2008 8:22 AM:
PB Person wrote on May 8, 2008 8:20 AM:
SS wrote on May 8, 2008 8:13 AM:
To those of you blaming small towns... wrote on May 8, 2008 8:05 AM:
To Comon wrote on May 8, 2008 8:00 AM:
Retro Bunny wrote on May 8, 2008 7:52 AM:
rbd wrote on May 8, 2008 7:27 AM:
While the county may need a shooting range, I hope somebody monitors how Mr. Smith is spending this money. His group's original proposal to the County was based on "private" funds being raised to pay for the $3.7 million facility. Then it shows up on the ballot at $6.8 million, before bein scaled back to $2.9 million. Now it appears that the tax payers are footing the bill for the entire facility. What happened to all the private donations???? Maybe the WTE needs to get off their "tax, tax, tax" butts and actually do some reporting about what is really going on. At least the Greenway proposal has been has some integrity versus the the fantasies and misinformation put forth by the so called shooting park. Ask the County for a copy of their original proposal........and lease agreement "
sporker wrote on May 8, 2008 7:17 AM:
Congratulations on the grassroots citizen effort to derail the rec center. Now pay attention to what Mayor Spiker and the Citizens for the Rec Center will do to impose their agenda on the Cheyenne taxpayers. They will attempt to subvert the will of the Laramie and Cheyenne rec center vote results.
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Thank God Almighty wrote on May 8, 2008 7:08 AM:
Sun Valley Resident wrote on May 8, 2008 7:00 AM:
ha wrote on May 8, 2008 6:57 AM:
kc wrote on May 8, 2008 6:42 AM:
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Willie B Hurd wrote on May 8, 2008 6:40 AM:
JAFOA wrote on May 8, 2008 6:15 AM:
Ralphinphnx wrote on May 8, 2008 12:36 AM:
has returned to the big little City of
Cheyenne,Wyoming with
the defeat of Mayor
Skywalker Spiker's
Costly Legacy To Himself Recreation Center! On behalf of
Nancy Ray Gun we thank
all of you,voters who
said "NO!" So go recall Spiker and the
Rubber Stamp City Council Next Folks! "
Another PB Resident wrote on May 8, 2008 12:35 AM:
Mitchell wrote on May 7, 2008 11:49 PM:
Old Pilot wrote on May 7, 2008 11:32 PM:
Sad Youth wrote on May 7, 2008 10:58 PM:
I guess I will like many other youth in Wyoming. Get out of dodge!! "
PB RES wrote on May 7, 2008 10:56 PM:
Mr Truth wrote on May 7, 2008 10:42 PM:
Laramie Guy wrote on May 7, 2008 10:13 PM:
Not happy wrote on May 7, 2008 9:41 PM:
NRC wrote on May 7, 2008 9:37 PM:
Reading these comments I sure can tell who never went out of Cheyenne or even Wyoming. Small town thinking. Parents need to spend time with there kids with out dropping them off at a rec center. Or is this to hard for the parents here. Give up your cell phones. Go to the park or even Wal-Mart and see how many "adults" are on the phone and the child is walking behind them. And the child is 3 years old. No, we don't need any thing else that will take the family time away. The rec center would not build better families. Mom and dad would do this and the kids would do that. Cheyenne is a medium city with big city problems and it shouldn't be. Parents wake up and quit trying to give your kids to someone else to raise. "
Confused wrote on May 7, 2008 9:20 PM:
PB resident wrote on May 7, 2008 9:17 PM:
City Councilwoman Georgia Broyles wrote on May 7, 2008 8:53 PM:
To Sun Valley Resident: You made me laugh. Thank you for that. I am not famous, so I can't be made into a "Bobble Head." Hillarious thought though. My head doesn't bob. It moves in a purposeful, decisive manner once I complete my own research. Call me anytime with specific concerns and we'll talk, 630-9032.
To Runner Chick: Thank you for your faith in me and know I will never stop fighting for our children and future. "
Tech Head wrote on May 7, 2008 8:36 PM:
Comon wrote on May 7, 2008 8:34 PM:
There is NOTHING to do here! We get so bored, especially over weekends and you people don't expect us to drink or do drugs in this downtime?
Well, congratulations jackasses, you screwwed us out of something to keep occupied. "
sfg wrote on May 7, 2008 8:27 PM:
I am so disappointed..... wrote on May 7, 2008 8:13 PM:
Art wrote on May 7, 2008 7:52 PM:
Jim Feather-lie wrote on May 7, 2008 7:45 PM:
Art wrote on May 7, 2008 7:41 PM:
Buddy wrote on May 7, 2008 7:30 PM:
dave mathew-sin wrote on May 7, 2008 6:29 PM:
WHINERS wrote on May 7, 2008 6:13 PM:
Citizen for Change of City Officials wrote on May 7, 2008 6:00 PM:
April wrote on May 7, 2008 5:59 PM:
Relieved wrote on May 7, 2008 5:51 PM:
Jim wrote on May 7, 2008 5:47 PM:
To Broncochick wrote on May 7, 2008 5:42 PM:
The lady that owns the gymnastics facility on Carlson used HER DOLLARS and NOT TAX DOLLARS to support her program. It is not a non profit..it actually has to make money that is her business. She runs a good program and that is why it is big. First class operation!!!! My daughter has gone there for 6 years. Why don't you try it there. "
Mark wrote on May 7, 2008 5:39 PM:
to Lisa Kindal wrote on May 7, 2008 5:34 PM:
Confused Seriously wrote on May 7, 2008 5:29 PM:
Melinda Cummings wrote on May 7, 2008 5:05 PM:
Nuts wrote on May 7, 2008 5:02 PM:
TheSwex wrote on May 7, 2008 4:57 PM:
CheyWyo wrote on May 7, 2008 4:42 PM:
The shooting range is good for this community, but someplace to get a workout, would have been great. I am sorry it was defeated. "
Cameron wrote on May 7, 2008 4:14 PM:
Not surprised wrote on May 7, 2008 4:11 PM:
Wyo Native wrote on May 7, 2008 3:34 PM:
D.R. wrote on May 7, 2008 2:56 PM:
Truth be told wrote on May 7, 2008 2:46 PM:
Lastly, we do have a lot of gyms and such in this town but only the YMCA has things for children to do. However, the YMCA is dirty and does not offer enough to children of all ages. Maybe one day we can pass the idea of a rec center or any other type of center that will accomidate and encoureage our kids to get out and be active. "
rut wrote on May 7, 2008 2:26 PM:
jim t wrote on May 7, 2008 2:21 PM:
get real wrote on May 7, 2008 2:10 PM:
Lisa Kindel wrote on May 7, 2008 2:02 PM:
To Thank-You wrote on May 7, 2008 1:50 PM:
Are you serious??? As a Cheyenne voter, I voted Yes for all the small projects in Burns, Pine Bluffs, and Albin... would you rather all the Cheyenne voters push our weight around and vote no on things that don't affect our community?
We could have voted no on Prop 2 for the small towns, but we chose not to be egocentric. "
p-rivers wrote on May 7, 2008 1:46 PM:
George A. Boils wrote on May 7, 2008 1:45 PM:
Shame on Chelsea wrote on May 7, 2008 1:45 PM:
Laramie County Kid NOT addicted to meth wrote on May 7, 2008 1:45 PM:
Jack Handy wrote on May 7, 2008 1:44 PM:
Elitch Gardens could be considered a Rec Center, but the city of Denver certainly didn't build it. "
taxed for ever wrote on May 7, 2008 1:29 PM:
May be the next vote should just be to keep the 6-penny going forever as it seems it will never go away. There will always be projects to fund. Just collect the money and then spend it. The Republicans and Democrates are both good at it. "
Spikers Big Plans wrote on May 7, 2008 1:22 PM:
Rosemary wrote on May 7, 2008 1:20 PM:
bigger issues as the price of things goes up.thanks to all for the failure of the wreck.Cheyenne does not need another project build that can't afford the operating expenses. "
Our Children wrote on May 7, 2008 1:16 PM:
get real wrote on May 7, 2008 1:13 PM:
A State Split wrote on May 7, 2008 1:09 PM:
Grizzeled Old Man wrote on May 7, 2008 1:08 PM:
to Chelsea wrote on May 7, 2008 1:05 PM:
James Hart wrote on May 7, 2008 12:59 PM:
Taxation and The Death of Exploration wrote on May 7, 2008 12:55 PM:
That is great wrote on May 7, 2008 12:49 PM:
Im glad wrote on May 7, 2008 12:49 PM:
ha wrote on May 7, 2008 12:47 PM:
MA wrote on May 7, 2008 12:36 PM:
Also, what makes people think we voted for the airport and shooting range. Maybe we voted for our neighbors and had no choice on the other items. "
Dave Sanborn wrote on May 7, 2008 12:32 PM:
Crom wrote on May 7, 2008 12:25 PM:
To Melinda Cummings wrote on May 7, 2008 12:11 PM:
Vicki wrote on May 7, 2008 12:09 PM:
JO wrote on May 7, 2008 11:59 AM:
Victory Limerick wrote on May 7, 2008 11:29 AM:
Cost you six bucks a head to enter.
For a family of four ducks
That's twent-four bucks.
Cheaper to migrate for the winter.
"
Sun Valley Resident wrote on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM:
Ice_Man wrote on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM:
BroncoChick wrote on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM:
Confused wrote on May 7, 2008 11:14 AM:
Youthless and Toothless wrote on May 7, 2008 11:12 AM:
Patrick wrote on May 7, 2008 11:08 AM:
Nowhere to Turn wrote on May 7, 2008 10:58 AM:
Mind Changed wrote on May 7, 2008 10:57 AM:
To Chelsea wrote on May 7, 2008 10:57 AM:
RT wrote on May 7, 2008 10:55 AM:
Solicit businesses in town for donations as well as individuals, then hold a special bond election to fund the balance. "
another native wrote on May 7, 2008 10:50 AM:
Young Grandma wrote on May 7, 2008 10:46 AM:
Congrats Cheyenne Sort of... wrote on May 7, 2008 10:42 AM:
To to burns mayor wrote on May 7, 2008 10:37 AM:
Million Reasons This Failed wrote on May 7, 2008 10:35 AM:
Unbelievable wrote on May 7, 2008 10:34 AM:
DP wrote on May 7, 2008 10:33 AM:
DP wrote on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM:
Adam wrote on May 7, 2008 10:30 AM:
Ltes spend $13000 per person in Albin, 8,000 in Burns, and $6000 in Pine Bluffs.
BUT lets spend less than $100 in Cheyenne.
Lets do another center half way and have it be unsuccessful too. What a waste. We should have spent the money and done it right.
But lets build a Childcare center in Pine Bluffs? Are you serious?
FOOLS! You owe us ALBIN<BURNS<PINE "
The Final Spike Through Spiker wrote on May 7, 2008 10:29 AM:
never live in Cheyenne unless you own a gun wrote on May 7, 2008 10:25 AM:
Unbelievable wrote on May 7, 2008 10:22 AM:
To WYO Native wrote on May 7, 2008 10:22 AM:
Unbelievable wrote on May 7, 2008 10:20 AM:
-It will only be open one week out of the year.
-It will be run by over worked and abused volunteers.
-It will sell overpriced, bad food.
-It will charge much more in entry fee then it worth.
-There will be drunk, urband cowboys everywhere.
By the way what did it cost to build that den of animal abuse which is used ONE TIME A YEAR?
"
private-interprizer wrote on May 7, 2008 10:18 AM:
Bus Them wrote on May 7, 2008 10:18 AM:
Chris wrote on May 7, 2008 10:12 AM:
You would think Cheyenne could do something RIGHT for a change, but oh no. We can't fund something that would make this a better place to live for young people and families. Forget that. We want to continue to force our young people and families to live in other cities that have supports and benefits for them.
You know, eventually all of the old fuddy duddies who kept this from passing will be long gone, maybe then people who can think about the future will make this happen. "
To Bummer wrote on May 7, 2008 10:06 AM:
Thank-You wrote on May 7, 2008 10:01 AM:
Bella wrote on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM:
Adam wrote on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM:
To Burns mayor wrote on May 7, 2008 9:51 AM:
Bummer wrote on May 7, 2008 9:50 AM:
Young Professional wrote on May 7, 2008 9:42 AM:
Melinda Cummings wrote on May 7, 2008 9:36 AM:
Wyo Native wrote on May 7, 2008 9:33 AM:
1. The cost. $55 million is way too much for a rec center for a City of our size. Some people whine because Laramie has a rec center. Laramie's center cost $11 million. Perhaps Cheyenne should have aimed for something in the $20 million range and it would have stood a better chance of passing.
2. The recreation department. They can't manage the facilities they do have. Why should we entrust more to them? Why should we give them more job security?
3. The city itself. People got tired of hearing about the rec center from the City. The City is supposed to be neutral in this whole thing. Yet, they wasted untold hours putting together mailings and advising people to vote for the rec center.
4. People realized that it's not the City's responsibility to provide a rec center. The rec center doesn't provide anything that Cheyenne doesn't already have.
5. The Taco John's Center. People are mad that the City bought that arena without consulting the voting public. There was a bit of backlash towards the City. "
truth hurts wrote on May 7, 2008 9:30 AM:
Give me an I
Give me a C
Give me a T
Give me an O
Give me an R
Give me a Y
What's that spell?....
VICTORY!!!!RA,RA,REE ... KICK 'EM IN THE KNEE!! "
Jimbo wrote on May 7, 2008 9:30 AM:
L_Climb wrote on May 7, 2008 9:28 AM:
Chelsea wrote on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM:
CheyenneNative wrote on May 7, 2008 9:27 AM:
However there are too many city projects that need to be finished before we start another one - like a stupid rec. center. We don't need it right now!!! "
Spiker is Done wrote on May 7, 2008 9:23 AM:
Wyo Native wrote on May 7, 2008 9:21 AM:
Teddy wrote on May 7, 2008 9:19 AM:
What we have is a moyor with no forsight and tunnel vision! "
Runner Chick wrote on May 7, 2008 9:08 AM:
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jack quirk wrote on May 14, 2008 4:37 PM:
The rec center died, put it to rest! "